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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjanv@redhat.com,
	linux-audio-dev@music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:30:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040711103020.GA24797@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040711025855.08afbca1.akpm@osdl.org>


* Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:

> OK, but most of the new ones are unneeded with CONFIG_PREEMPT=y.  I'm
> still failing to see why a non-preempt, voluntary preemption kernel
> even needs to try to be competitive with a preemptible kernel?

the reason is difference in overhead (codesize, speed) and risks (driver
robustness). We do not want to enable preempt for Fedora yet because it
breaks just too much stuff and is too heavy. So we looked for a solution
that might work for a generic distro.

here are the code size differences. With a typical .config (debugging
options disabled), the 2.6.7-mm7(+voluntary-preempt) UP x86 kernel gets
the following .text sizes:

   orig:      1776911 bytes
   preempt:   1855519 bytes  (+4.4%)
   voluntary: 1783407 bytes  (+0.3%)

so if voluntary-preempt can get close to real preempt's numbers for
practical stuff then we get most of the benefits while excluding some of
the nastiest risks and disadvantages.

(Long-term i'd like to see preempt be used unconditionally - at which
point the 10-line CONFIG_VOLUNTARY_PREEMPT Kconfig and kernel.h change
could go away.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-11 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 270+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-09 18:26 [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Ingo Molnar
2004-07-09 19:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-09 23:50   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  0:52     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10  1:02       ` Dave Jones
2004-07-12 10:17       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 19:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13  7:43           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-10  6:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10  7:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:10       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10  8:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 10:36           ` [patch] voluntary-preempt 2.6.8-rc2-H4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  1:38             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-07-20  6:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:36       ` [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 12:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:12     ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 15:14       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 15:18         ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:07           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  7:09             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  7:16             ` [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11  9:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10 16:18       ` [announce] [patch] " Con Kolivas
2004-07-11  6:47         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  6:59           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 11:18             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-11  7:09           ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-11 14:27           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:29             ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 14:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 17:29               ` André Goddard Rosa
2004-07-11 17:49                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 21:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-11 21:25                     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-07-11 20:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-12  8:23                 ` Voluntary Preemption + concurent games Aivils
2004-07-12  9:51                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-12 10:45                     ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-07-12 11:52                     ` Aivils
2004-07-12 13:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-12 14:15               ` [ck] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Chris Friesen
2004-07-12 14:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 15:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-09 21:13 ` Redeeman
2004-07-10  8:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  8:50     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 10:55       ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 11:26         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:01           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 12:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-10 12:09             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 12:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 12:58           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-10 13:55             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10 14:45               ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10 14:57                 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 10:48         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-12 13:09           ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-12 13:14             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-09 21:36 ` Torrey Hoffman
2004-07-10  8:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-10  1:00 ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-10  1:04   ` Dave Jones
2004-07-10 12:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  5:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:45     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11  9:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11  9:58         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:30           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-07-11 10:42             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 10:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-11 11:13                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-11 18:07                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2004-07-12  7:08                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-07-19 10:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-11 23:12             ` Robert Love
2004-07-12 22:40       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-12 13:24   ` John Stoffel
2004-07-12 22:56   ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-12 23:31     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-12 23:58       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:06         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  0:21           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-13  1:01           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Lee Revell
2004-07-13  7:49             ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  8:12               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:01       ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13  0:08         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 16:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 18:42             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 21:29               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:45                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14  8:51                   ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14  9:36                     ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:48                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-14 14:52                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 16:29                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-14 10:26                     ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 18:48             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 21:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 21:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:01                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:25                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:37                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 22:44                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 22:53                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 23:18                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-13 23:32                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-14  0:40                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-14  0:45                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-19 11:59                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 22:03                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-02 22:20                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 23:03                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-02 23:21                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-13  7:58         ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  0:17       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  0:46         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  2:52           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  3:59             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  7:57               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-19 10:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-19 11:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  5:38                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  6:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-20  6:59                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                           ` <200407202011.20558.musical_snake@gmx.de>
2004-07-20 19:56                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-20 23:49                               ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-21  0:32                                 ` [linux-audio-dev] " Lee Revell
2004-07-21  1:25                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-21 21:38                                     ` Another dumb question about " Timothy Miller
2004-07-24  0:25                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-25 20:19                                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 20:13                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:53                                   ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] " Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 11:18                                     ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-21 12:04                                       ` pci gfx card / jack xruns / pci latencies (was: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch) Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 17:49                                     ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
2004-07-22 22:25                                     ` Andrew McGregor
2004-07-22 23:16                                       ` Florian Schmidt
2004-07-21 14:27                                   ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-20 12:19                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-20 21:32                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  4:07                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  5:46                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:33                             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24  6:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24 22:49                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 23:30                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-24 11:27                             ` max request size 1024KiB by default? Rudo Thomas
2004-07-24 22:58                               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-26 19:29                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2004-07-27  5:15                                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-24 12:41                           ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Mark Lord
2004-07-24  4:58                         ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:31               ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  8:53                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:00                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:21                       ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:25                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:33                           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13  9:44                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  9:23                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  9:29                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13 20:37                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:32                           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13  8:07           ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 22:40           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-13 23:47             ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-07-19 10:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  3:27             ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  7:03               ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-21  4:58                 ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  5:30                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:03                   ` Lee Revell
2004-07-21  8:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  8:52                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 11:32                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 15:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  4:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22  7:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 10:54                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 16:23                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 22:11                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  5:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  6:45                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  6:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-23  7:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23  7:28                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:34                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:46                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 19:56                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:08                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:47                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:28                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  7:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:53                                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:45                                         ` Bill Huey
2004-07-28  6:45                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-28 20:52                                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 18:21                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-29 18:36                                                 ` Bill Huey
2004-07-29 19:17                                                   ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 19:25                                                     ` Bill Huey
2004-07-30  2:23                                             ` Eric St-Laurent
2004-07-29 20:26                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 20:57                                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-29 21:00                                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-29 21:07                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:52                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-21 18:32                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 20:40                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 18:30                       ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 18:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22  2:32                           ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22  9:51                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:36                               ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 19:11                                 ` Robert Love
2004-07-21 21:00                         ` Scott Wood
2004-07-21 21:18                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21 22:14                             ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:31                               ` Bill Huey
2004-07-21 22:37                             ` Scott Wood
2004-07-22 10:06                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 16:00                                 ` scheduling while atomic (Re: voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-H9) Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 16:19                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 17:24                                     ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 17:52                                       ` Matt Heler
2004-07-22 17:54                                       ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:01                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:14                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:37                                               ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-23 10:42                                               ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 10:58                                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 11:04                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 11:28                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I4 Ingo Molnar
2004-07-24  0:16                                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-07-23 11:42                                                     ` [patch] voluntary-preempt-2.6.8-rc2-I3 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-23 12:00                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-23 15:36                                                         ` Dang, Linh [CAR:2X23:EXCH]
2004-07-23 23:48                                                         ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-26 11:10                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-26 12:27                                                             ` Thomas Charbonnel
2004-07-22 18:31                                           ` voluntary-preempt I0: sluggish feel Robert Love
2004-07-22 18:32                                           ` Rudo Thomas
2004-07-22 18:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-22 18:00                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-07-21  6:07                 ` [linux-audio-dev] Re: [announce] [patch] Voluntary Kernel Preemption Patch Lee Revell
2004-07-21 10:14                 ` Roger Luethi
2004-07-13  0:58         ` Jan Depner
2004-07-13  1:00           ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  3:31         ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-13  6:31           ` Paul Winkler
2004-07-13 13:26         ` Benno Senoner
2004-07-13 14:50           ` Paul Davis
2004-07-13 19:45           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-13 22:17           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-16  4:50   ` Florin Andrei
2004-07-16 12:49     ` Takashi Iwai
2004-07-13 21:53 ` Timothy Miller

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