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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
To: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@istop.com>,
	sdake@mvista.com, David Teigland <teigland@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Minneapolis Cluster Summit, July 29-30
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:11:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040712101107.GA31013@devserv.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040712100547.GF3933@marowsky-bree.de>

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On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:05:47PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2004-07-12T08:58:46,
>    Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com> said:
> 
> > Running realtime and mlocked (prealloced) is most certainly not
> > sufficient for causes like this; any system call that internally
> > allocates memory (even if it's just for allocating the kernel side of
> > the filename you handle to open) can lead to this RT, mlocked process to
> > cause VM writeout elsewhere. 
> 
> Of course; appropriate safety measures - like not doing any syscall
> which could potentially block, or isolating them from the main task via
> double-buffering childs - need to be done. (heartbeat does this in
> fact.)

well the problem is that you cannot prevent a syscall from blocking really.
O_NONBLOCK only impacts the waiting for IO/socket buffer space to not do so
(in general), it doesn't impact the memory allocation strategies by
syscalls. And there's a whopping lot of that in the non-boring syscalls...
So while your heartbeat process won't block during getpid, it'll eventually
need to do real work too .... and I'm quite certain that will lead down to
GFP_KERNEL memory allocations.



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  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-12 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-05  6:09 [ANNOUNCE] Minneapolis Cluster Summit, July 29-30 Daniel Phillips
2004-07-05 15:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-05 18:42   ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-05 19:08     ` Chris Friesen
2004-07-05 20:29       ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-07 22:55         ` Steven Dake
2004-07-08  1:30           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-05 19:12     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-05 20:27       ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-06  7:34         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-06 21:34           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-07 18:16             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-08  1:14               ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-08  9:10                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-08 10:53                   ` David Teigland
2004-07-08 14:14                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-07-08 16:06                       ` David Teigland
2004-07-08 18:22                     ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-08 19:41                       ` Steven Dake
2004-07-10  4:58                         ` David Teigland
2004-07-10  4:58                         ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-10 17:59                           ` Steven Dake
2004-07-10 20:57                             ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-10 23:24                               ` Steven Dake
2004-07-11 19:44                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-11 21:06                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-12  6:58                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-12 10:05                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-12 10:11                                         ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2004-07-12 10:21                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-12 10:28                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-12 11:50                                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-12 12:01                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-07-12 13:13                                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-12 13:40                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-12 20:54                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-13  2:19                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-13  2:31                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-27  3:31                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-27  4:07                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-27  5:57                                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-14 12:19                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-15  2:19                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-15 12:03                                                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-07-14  8:32                                             ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-12  4:08                                   ` Steven Dake
2004-07-12  4:23                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-12 18:21                                       ` Steven Dake
2004-07-12 19:54                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2004-07-13 20:06                                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-07-12 10:14                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
     [not found] <fa.io9lp90.1c02foo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.go9f063.1i72joh@ifi.uio.no>
2004-07-06  6:39   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
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2004-07-10 14:58 James Bottomley
2004-07-10 16:04 ` David Teigland
2004-07-10 16:26   ` James Bottomley

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