From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262079AbUGLT4N (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:56:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262080AbUGLT4N (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:56:13 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:52612 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262079AbUGLT4J (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:56:09 -0400 From: Daniel Phillips Organization: Red Hat To: sdake@mvista.com Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Minneapolis Cluster Summit, July 29-30 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:54:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 Cc: Daniel Phillips , David Teigland , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Lars Marowsky-Bree References: <200407050209.29268.phillips@redhat.com> <200407120023.44773.phillips@redhat.com> <1089656497.608.4.camel@persist.az.mvista.com> In-Reply-To: <1089656497.608.4.camel@persist.az.mvista.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407121554.12274.phillips@redhat.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Monday 12 July 2004 14:21, Steven Dake wrote: > On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 21:23, Daniel Phillips wrote: > > On Monday 12 July 2004 00:08, Steven Dake wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 12:44, Daniel Phillips wrote: > > > Oom conditions are another fact of life for poorly sized systems. > > > If a cluster is within an OOM condition, it should be removed > > > from the cluster (because it is in overload, under which unknown > > > and generally bad behaviors occur). > > > > You missed the point. The memory deadlock I pointed out occurs in > > _normal operation_. You have to find a way around it, or kernel > > cluster services win, plain and simple. > > The bottom line is that we just don't know if any such deadlock > occurs, under normal operations. I thought I demonstrated that, should I restate? You need to point out the flaw in my argument (about the deadlock, not about philosophy). If/when you succeed, I will be pleased. Until you do succeed, there's a deadlock. Regards, Daniel