From: Elladan <elladan@eskimo.com>
To: Olaf Titz <olaf@bigred.inka.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:53:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040713185308.GA9541@eskimo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1BjmAw-0005MS-00@bigred.inka.de>
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 11:47:58PM +0200, Olaf Titz wrote:
> > For some of us who are extremely familiar with C your argument is
> > confusing. You make statements that sound like they are about the
> > definition of the C programming language when in fact they are
> > criticism of a given C programming style.
> >
> > Since I am already making distinctions 0 as the integer value and
> > 0 as the pointer constant when 0 is implicitly introduced. It is
> > really not confusing to me in the case of manifest constants.
>
> So the real question is why C has no "null" token like Java or Pascal
> and re-uses the "0" token (which is really no token by itself but a
> numeric-constant token which happens to have a special value).
>
> If your argument holds that "0" in a pointer context really is a
> special token like Java's "null" (which is explicitly defined by the
> standard as a pointer different from any other pointer) then it would
> be possible to implement a compiler which not only defines NULL to
> -1L, as someone mentioned here, but actually generates an all-ones bit
> pattern out of the constant 0 when used in a pointer context, yet
> generates an all-zeros bit pattern when used in an integer context.
> It also would have to implement the implicit null-comparison in a
> boolean context appropriately.
This indeed is possible, and has been implemented in the past. Some
segmented architectures use different segments for different data types,
and a segment tag is part of the appropriate null pointer. Also,
obviously, some pointer types are different widths on some
architectures.
The C languages was defined in such a way that it works fine on such an
architecture. int *p = 0; will always result in the appropriate null
pointer for integers.
The one exception is if you have a variadic function, in which case you
have to cast the null pointer to the right type, eg.
printf("%s\n", (char*)0);
What's not allowed in conformant portable C is clearing pointers to null
using memset. That just results in a zero bit pattern.
Eg.,
struct foo {
int *bar;
} x;
memset(&x, 0, sizeof(x));
However, implicit initializers are valid, and will fill in pointer types
with the appropriate null value, eg:
struct foo {
int *bar;
} x = {};
In addition, defining NULL as (void*)0 is completely broken. A void*
null pointer is not valid as a null pointer for some other type - void*
is a transitional type, it simply holds the bit values of other pointers
so you can cast them back later.
-J
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Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-07-07 19:25 [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/ Chris Wright
2004-07-08 3:12 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-08 3:27 ` David S. Miller
2004-07-08 3:43 ` Miles Bader
2004-07-08 5:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 5:35 ` Miles Bader
2004-07-08 15:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:23 ` Dave Jones
2004-07-08 17:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-09 11:23 ` Roman Zippel
2004-07-10 19:41 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-11 10:29 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-11 10:54 ` viro
2004-07-11 16:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-11 20:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-12 15:58 ` Florian Weimer
2004-07-12 16:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-08 11:18 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-08 13:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-08 13:56 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-08 14:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-08 5:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-08 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-08 16:52 ` Timothy Miller
[not found] ` <200407090056.51084.vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2004-07-12 15:17 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-12 16:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-12 16:51 ` Andrew Pimlott
2004-07-15 16:15 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-09 20:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-07-09 23:49 ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-10 1:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-07-10 1:47 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-10 21:53 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-10 6:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-10 6:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-10 6:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 9:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-07-10 15:39 ` Roland Dreier
2004-07-11 2:45 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-07-11 21:19 ` Olaf Titz
2004-07-10 9:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-07-10 9:56 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-11 21:47 ` Olaf Titz
2004-07-13 8:43 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-14 3:12 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-13 18:53 ` Elladan [this message]
2004-07-14 3:15 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-10 12:11 ` Roman Zippel
2004-07-10 21:59 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-11 4:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-07-10 9:31 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-07-10 22:07 ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-07-10 23:52 ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-11 0:12 ` Tim Wright
2004-07-12 22:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-10 8:18 ` Florian Weimer
2004-07-08 11:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-07-08 11:28 ` Michael Buesch
2004-07-08 11:44 ` Martin Zwickel
2004-07-08 12:06 ` Michael Buesch
2004-07-08 12:38 ` [OT] NULL versus 0 (Re: [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/) Kari Hurtta
2004-07-08 12:42 ` Michael Buesch
2004-07-08 12:57 ` Kari Hurtta
2004-07-08 15:25 ` Herbert Xu
2004-07-10 8:22 ` [PATCH] Use NULL instead of integer 0 in security/selinux/ Florian Weimer
2004-07-08 11:43 ` P. Benie
2004-07-08 14:32 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-07-08 15:00 ` Michael Poole
2004-07-08 15:30 ` P. Benie
2004-07-08 15:55 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-10 7:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 7:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-10 6:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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