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From: Petr Baudis <pasky@ucw.cz>
To: Tim Connors <tconnors+linuxkernel1090478761@astro.swin.edu.au>
Cc: Dale Fountain <dpf-lkml@fountainbay.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	jmorris@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Re:  [PATCH] Delete cryptoloop
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:02:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040722150211.GP5517@pasky.ji.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <slrn-0.9.7.4-8073-28820-200407221646-tc@hexane.ssi.swin.edu.au>

Dear diary, on Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 08:47:28AM CEST, I got a letter,
where Tim Connors <tconnors+linuxkernel1090478761@astro.swin.edu.au> told me, that...
> "Dale Fountain" <dpf-lkml@fountainbay.com> said on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:13:58 -0700 (PDT):
> > Dm-crypt is still unstable, doesn't have all the features of cryptoloop
> > (please see my previous message), yet you wish to dump cryptoloop? At
> > least cryptoloop is a known quantity.
> > 
> > Once dm-crypt can be shown to have all the features of the software it's
> > meant to _replace_, I'll be more likely to agree. Otherwise, it sounds
> > like this decision is being made on a whim.
> 
> *cough* devfs->udev *cough*
> 
> I'm such a bastard :)

Judging from the discussion, this is really a different case. udev is
known to be already quite mature and fully replaces devfs - dm-crypt
being still quite a new player and not able to fully replace cryptoloop
yet.  So people who cannot replace cryptoloop with dm-crypt yet should
wait with upgrading from 2.6.8, backporting security fixes manually?

Another difference is that having devfs around means holding off the
drivers development globally and removing it would clean the code up a
lot - there is no such thing with removing cryptoloop, AFAIK. And I
don't buy the argument that it will encourage dm-crypt development - if
it suffers from a lack of developers interest, something else is
apparently wrong (there is either no that big need for moving away from
cryptoloop or the advantages don't balance the change effort for most
people) and forcing *users* to it won't help much; that works around the
natural selection by centralized control.

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Stuff: http://pasky.or.cz/
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple,
and wrong.  -- H. L. Mencken

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-22 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-21 20:16 [PATCH] Delete cryptoloop James Morris
2004-07-21 23:44 ` David S. Miller
2004-07-22  6:00 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22  3:30   ` James Morris
2004-07-22  7:43     ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-07-22 14:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-22 14:58         ` Jack Lloyd
2004-07-28 20:24     ` David Wagner
2004-07-29  0:27       ` James Morris
2004-07-29 15:50         ` Christophe Saout
2004-07-29 21:15           ` David Wagner
2004-07-30 13:13             ` Christophe Saout
2004-07-31  0:44               ` David Wagner
2004-07-31  2:05                 ` Matt Mackall
2004-07-31 17:29                   ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-02 22:54                   ` David Wagner
2004-08-02 23:16                     ` James Morris
2004-08-07 16:27                       ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-07-22  4:26   ` dpf-lkml
2004-07-22  5:22     ` James Morris
2004-07-22 11:58       ` Paul Rolland
2004-07-22 20:40         ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-22  8:46     ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22  6:13       ` Dale Fountain
2004-07-22  6:47         ` Tim Connors
2004-07-22 15:02           ` Petr Baudis [this message]
2004-07-22 11:36         ` Aiko Barz
2004-07-24 15:11           ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2004-07-24 15:53       ` gadgeteer
2004-07-29 16:12       ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-29 17:23         ` James Morris
2004-07-29 19:48           ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-22 22:13 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-24 12:41 ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-07-24 16:52   ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-24 14:08     ` Andreas Henriksson
2004-07-24 19:54       ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-27 20:02     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-25 11:42   ` Jari Ruusu
2004-07-25 13:24     ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-07-25 15:24       ` Marc Ballarin
2004-07-25 16:57       ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2004-07-25 17:25       ` Jari Ruusu
2004-07-25 18:02         ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-07-25 19:09           ` Lee Revell
2004-07-25 19:15             ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-07-25 19:44           ` Marc Ballarin
2004-07-25 20:58             ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-07-26 10:54           ` Jari Ruusu
2004-07-26 12:45             ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-07-26 18:11               ` Jari Ruusu
2004-07-26 22:59                 ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-07-26 20:01               ` Matt Mackall
     [not found]                 ` <fa.edslbgp.q763qd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-07-27  8:40                   ` Junio C Hamano
2004-07-27  8:53                     ` Matt Mackall
2004-07-27 10:10                     ` Marc Ballarin
2004-07-26 22:04               ` Marc Ballarin
2004-07-27 19:56   ` Bill Davidsen

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