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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: corbet@lwn.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:33:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040722193337.GE19329@fs.tum.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040722025539.5d35c4cb.akpm@osdl.org>

Hi Andrew,

my personal opinon is that this new development model isn't a good 
idea from the point of view of users:

There's much worth in having a very stable kernel. Many people use for 
different reasons self-compiled ftp.kernel.org kernels. In 2.4, it took 
until at about 2.4.18 or 2.4.22 [1] until it was reasonable stable. 
Today, most code in the 2.4 kernel has had several years of testing and 
it's therefore quite stable even in unusual configurations. Besides 
this, an upgrade like from 2.4.25 to 2.4.26 is pretty low-risk since  
there shouldn't be any changes that might break existing setups.

If your work together with Linus is so effective, why can't you both do 
all the changes in a new 2.7 tree that includes also all incompatible 
and potential dangerous changes as well as the removal of obsolete code 
like devfs or OSS. I don't see the negative effect if a 2.7 branch was 
created today and together with a feature freeze for 2.7 three months  
from now this might result in a 2.8.0 before christmas [2] that contains 
all the new features/removals/changes while 2.6 will evolve further into 
a rock-solid stable kernel.

cu
Adrian

[1] there are different opinions on the exact version number, but it was
    definitely not 2.4.10
[2] perhaps a bit optimistic, but it shouldn't be years from now

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-07-22 19:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-21 14:15 [PATCH] delete devfs Greg KH
2004-07-21 14:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-21 14:35   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-21 14:52   ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:19     ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 21:27       ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:53         ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:05           ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:17             ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:47             ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22  6:49               ` Greg KH
2004-07-22  9:55                 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22 10:08                   ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-22 16:13                 ` Matt Porter
2004-07-23 19:06                   ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED (was: Re: [PATCH] delete devfs) R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 20:04                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23 21:17                       ` Russell King
2004-07-23 21:22                       ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 23:35                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-07-23 22:01                         ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-07-22  1:08           ` [PATCH] delete devfs Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz
2004-07-22  1:48             ` Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 22:02         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 22:07           ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:14             ` David Weinehall
2004-07-21 22:31             ` Brian Gerst
2004-07-21 23:11               ` New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-21 23:52                 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22  9:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22  7:04                     ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 10:19                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 12:55                         ` Josh Boyer
2004-07-22 11:32                       ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-07-22 19:12                         ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2004-07-22 22:28                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23  2:22                           ` Tim Wright
2004-07-23  6:31                             ` Ville Herva
2004-07-23 21:04                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-07-23 21:08                                 ` Ville Herva
2004-07-25 11:59                             ` Jan Knutar
2004-07-25 18:53                               ` Jesper Juhl
2004-07-23  8:16                         ` szonyi calin
2004-07-23 12:21                           ` Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-23 19:59                             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-24 14:24                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-07-23 14:54                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-23 15:50                             ` szonyi calin
2004-07-27 22:18                               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28 21:25                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-02 18:48                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-03 22:07                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-24 16:21                           ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2004-07-27 22:12                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28  7:24                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:01                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 20:18                         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 20:28                         ` Kevin Fox
2004-07-23 20:09                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 21:01                         ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-23  0:39                         ` Jason Cooper
2004-07-23 20:57                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 13:30                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-26  1:38                         ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-26  2:12                           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28  6:25                             ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-28 21:23                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-04 21:53                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28 21:22                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-29 12:25                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22  1:33               ` [PATCH] delete devfs Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 23:26             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-21 22:11           ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-21 22:40             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 23:15               ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-22  8:23               ` sam
2004-07-22 10:24                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 10:58                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 21:06                   ` sam
2004-07-23  0:21                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 22:19                   ` Paul Jakma
2004-07-22 19:22         ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-22 17:56       ` Deepak Saxena
2004-07-21 14:52   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-21 14:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 18:25   ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 19:55     ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 19:34   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-21 21:13   ` Ben Collins
2004-07-21 22:20   ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-07-22 19:44     ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-21 15:49 ` Kasper Sandberg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-22  7:45 New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Svetoslav Slavtchev
2004-07-22 10:40 ` Han Boetes
2004-07-22 13:17 Svetoslav Slavtchev

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