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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: szonyi calin <caszonyi@yahoo.com>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:59:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040723195923.GN19329@fs.tum.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040723122127.16468.qmail@lwn.net>

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 06:21:27AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > So now the world is divided in gods (i.e distributions) and we,
> > mere mortals who should pray to the gods to give us a stable
> >  kernel ?
> 
> This seems to be where a lot of the misunderstanding is.  Did anybody
> notice just how divergent the distributors' 2.4 (and prior) kernels were
> from the mainline?  If you wanted a kernel with that level of features
> and stability, you had to get it from them - or apply hundreds of
> patches yourself.

The 2.4.18 kernel source in Debian stable in has at about 300kB patches 
applied (gzip'ed 60kB), and many of them fix security bugs that were 
reported since 2.4.18 was released.

> One of the goals of the process now is to get those distributor patches
> into the mainline quickly.  My expectation is that the mainline kernel
> will be far closer to what the distributors ship than it has been in a
> long time, and the mainline will be more stable for it.  Just the
> opposite of what a lot of people are saying.

OTOH, distributions might have to ship more kernel versions and provide 
security updates for more kernels if features in newer 2.6 kernels break 
architectures or subarchitectures they support.

> jon

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-23 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-21 14:15 [PATCH] delete devfs Greg KH
2004-07-21 14:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-21 14:35   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-21 14:52   ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:19     ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 21:27       ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:53         ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:05           ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:17             ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:47             ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22  6:49               ` Greg KH
2004-07-22  9:55                 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22 10:08                   ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-22 16:13                 ` Matt Porter
2004-07-23 19:06                   ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED (was: Re: [PATCH] delete devfs) R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 20:04                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23 21:17                       ` Russell King
2004-07-23 21:22                       ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 23:35                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-07-23 22:01                         ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-07-22  1:08           ` [PATCH] delete devfs Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz
2004-07-22  1:48             ` Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 22:02         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 22:07           ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:14             ` David Weinehall
2004-07-21 22:31             ` Brian Gerst
2004-07-21 23:11               ` New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-21 23:52                 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22  9:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22  7:04                     ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 10:19                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 12:55                         ` Josh Boyer
2004-07-22 11:32                       ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-07-22 19:12                         ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 22:28                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23  2:22                           ` Tim Wright
2004-07-23  6:31                             ` Ville Herva
2004-07-23 21:04                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-07-23 21:08                                 ` Ville Herva
2004-07-25 11:59                             ` Jan Knutar
2004-07-25 18:53                               ` Jesper Juhl
2004-07-23  8:16                         ` szonyi calin
2004-07-23 12:21                           ` Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-23 19:59                             ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2004-07-24 14:24                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-07-23 14:54                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-23 15:50                             ` szonyi calin
2004-07-27 22:18                               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28 21:25                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-02 18:48                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-03 22:07                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-24 16:21                           ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2004-07-27 22:12                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28  7:24                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:01                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 20:18                         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 20:28                         ` Kevin Fox
2004-07-23 20:09                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 21:01                         ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-23  0:39                         ` Jason Cooper
2004-07-23 20:57                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 13:30                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-26  1:38                         ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-26  2:12                           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28  6:25                             ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-28 21:23                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-04 21:53                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28 21:22                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-29 12:25                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22  1:33               ` [PATCH] delete devfs Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 23:26             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-21 22:11           ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-21 22:40             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 23:15               ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-22  8:23               ` sam
2004-07-22 10:24                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 10:58                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 21:06                   ` sam
2004-07-23  0:21                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 22:19                   ` Paul Jakma
2004-07-22 19:22         ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-22 17:56       ` Deepak Saxena
2004-07-21 14:52   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-21 14:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 18:25   ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 19:55     ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 19:34   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-21 21:13   ` Ben Collins
2004-07-21 22:20   ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-07-22 19:44     ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-21 15:49 ` Kasper Sandberg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-22  7:45 New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Svetoslav Slavtchev
2004-07-22 10:40 ` Han Boetes
2004-07-22 13:17 Svetoslav Slavtchev

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