From: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: szonyi calin <caszonyi@yahoo.com>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>,
akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:24:10 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040724142410.GA3009@dmt.cyclades> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040723122127.16468.qmail@lwn.net>
On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 06:21:27AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > So now the world is divided in gods (i.e distributions) and we,
> > mere mortals who should pray to the gods to give us a stable
> > kernel ?
>
> This seems to be where a lot of the misunderstanding is. Did anybody
> notice just how divergent the distributors' 2.4 (and prior) kernels were
> from the mainline? If you wanted a kernel with that level of features
> and stability, you had to get it from them - or apply hundreds of
> patches yourself.
>
> One of the goals of the process now is to get those distributor patches
> into the mainline quickly. My expectation is that the mainline kernel
> will be far closer to what the distributors ship than it has been in a
> long time, and the mainline will be more stable for it. Just the
> opposite of what a lot of people are saying.
Well, back in v2.4 "hot-stop", most of the patches merged into distro's kernels
were not "trustable" enough to be merged into v2.4 mainline, and I had no capability
of reviewing them myself and make a good enough judgment of whether they should be included
or not.
Another point I had against merging some of those patches was that most of them were
targeted at "enterprise" users and benefit almost only them (eg finer-grained locking, etc).
To resume, I prefered to be more "conservative".
Of course, fortunately Andrew is much more capable of doing judgements on
"trustability" of patches and so forth.
Obviously its a good thing to try to keep the differences between distro's kernels
and mainline kernels small, and Andrew is targetting that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-07-24 16:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-07-21 14:15 [PATCH] delete devfs Greg KH
2004-07-21 14:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-21 14:35 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-21 14:52 ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:19 ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 21:27 ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:53 ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:05 ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:17 ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22 6:49 ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 9:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22 10:08 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-22 16:13 ` Matt Porter
2004-07-23 19:06 ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED (was: Re: [PATCH] delete devfs) R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 20:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23 21:17 ` Russell King
2004-07-23 21:22 ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 23:35 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-07-23 22:01 ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-07-22 1:08 ` [PATCH] delete devfs Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz
2004-07-22 1:48 ` Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 22:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 22:07 ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:14 ` David Weinehall
2004-07-21 22:31 ` Brian Gerst
2004-07-21 23:11 ` New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-21 23:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 9:55 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 7:04 ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 10:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 12:55 ` Josh Boyer
2004-07-22 11:32 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-07-22 19:12 ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 19:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 22:28 ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23 2:22 ` Tim Wright
2004-07-23 6:31 ` Ville Herva
2004-07-23 21:04 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-07-23 21:08 ` Ville Herva
2004-07-25 11:59 ` Jan Knutar
2004-07-25 18:53 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-07-23 8:16 ` szonyi calin
2004-07-23 12:21 ` Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-23 19:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-24 14:24 ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2004-07-23 14:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-23 15:50 ` szonyi calin
2004-07-27 22:18 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28 21:25 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-02 18:48 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-03 22:07 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-24 16:21 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2004-07-27 22:12 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28 7:24 ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:01 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 20:18 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 20:28 ` Kevin Fox
2004-07-23 20:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 21:01 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-23 0:39 ` Jason Cooper
2004-07-23 20:57 ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 13:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-26 1:38 ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-26 2:12 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28 6:25 ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-28 21:23 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-04 21:53 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28 21:22 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-29 12:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 1:33 ` [PATCH] delete devfs Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 23:26 ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-21 22:11 ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-21 22:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 23:15 ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-22 8:23 ` sam
2004-07-22 10:24 ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 10:58 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 21:06 ` sam
2004-07-23 0:21 ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 22:19 ` Paul Jakma
2004-07-22 19:22 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-22 17:56 ` Deepak Saxena
2004-07-21 14:52 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-21 14:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 18:25 ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 19:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 19:34 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-21 21:13 ` Ben Collins
2004-07-21 22:20 ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-07-22 19:44 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-21 15:49 ` Kasper Sandberg
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-22 7:45 New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Svetoslav Slavtchev
2004-07-22 10:40 ` Han Boetes
2004-07-22 13:17 Svetoslav Slavtchev
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