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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: Bernd Eckenfels <ecki-news2004-05@lina.inka.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: secure computing for 2.6.7
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:31:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040802163113.GR6295@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200408020317.i723HJbp007491@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 11:17:19PM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> said:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > note this isn't a build number (the features in 2.6.10 don't matter at
> > all, the only thing it matters is that all security bugs up to 3503 are
> > included).
> 
> Pray tell, how do you know if a random "compiler warning fix" isn't a plug
> for an exploitable hole, and if a "security fix" really does fix a real
> security problem that can be abused?
> 
> Truth is, you can never know. So, this degenerates into sequential patch
> numbering, which is completely hopeless.

nothing is perfect. keeping track of a few sporadic kernel builds with
unsafe compiler with `uname -r` is quite easy compared to keeping track
of every security `uname -r` out there. It's about the common case
working well (common case is like fnclex), corner cases will have to be
handled with a db anyways, but it'll be much simpler to single out a few
spoardic `uname -r` than to keep track of everything in the common cases
too.

For example if a new bug triggers only on a certain buggy future cpu, I
don't want to shutdown the whole thing but I'll have a db that will
single out only such specific cpu if the security_sequence is lower than
N.

But anyways I start to think I should probably rename it to
seccomp_security_sequence, so that it's not going to degenerate in the
sequential patch numbering and it'll really work well for the common
case since there's a seccomp relevant bug less than once every 2 years
or less (and half the time they're hardware related and not a software
issues).

  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-02 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-04 17:39 secure computing for 2.6.7 andrea
2004-07-04 21:35 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-04 23:32   ` andrea
2004-07-05  0:37     ` Phy Prabab
2004-10-12 14:24   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-12 15:32     ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 15:59       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-12 16:28         ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 17:46           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-12 18:04             ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 18:10             ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 18:29               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-07 19:27 ` Hans Reiser
2004-08-01 10:22   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 12:01     ` chris
2004-08-01 15:01       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 17:29         ` chris
2004-08-01 18:52           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-08-01 20:45           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-01 23:10             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 23:08               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-02 10:25                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 23:06           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-02  6:52             ` David Wagner
2004-08-03 12:48         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-01 14:55     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-08-01 15:51       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 17:24         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-08-02  3:17         ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-02 16:31           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-08-03 12:40   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-03 21:02     ` Alexander Lyamin
2004-08-05 11:47       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-04  8:57     ` Hans Reiser
2004-08-05 11:48       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-07 23:20     ` Hans Reiser
2004-08-09 12:35       ` Stephen Smalley
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     [not found] ` <2fqhq-1RU-45@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <2olLt-4wI-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-08-02  0:05     ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-02 10:19       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-02 19:06         ` Rik van Riel
2004-08-02 21:35           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-04 13:18       ` V13

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