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From: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>,
	Torrey Hoffman <thoffman@arnor.net>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Exposing ROM's though sysfs
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:16:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200408031916.01593.jbarnes@engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1091584635.1922.72.camel@gaston>

On Tuesday, August 3, 2004 6:57 pm, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> Jesse did a pretty good summary of what features need to be provided
> though. Note also that this "arbitration" layer may also need an in-kernel
> API for things like vgacon or whatever may want to "grab" access to the
> VGA device.

Good point, I forgot about that.  Theoretically, as long as a device has been 
POSTed, vgacon should work just fine with some small tweaks on platforms that 
allow mapping of the VGA framebuffer.

> I suggest that at this point, we don't try to bother with simultaneous
> access to devices on separate PCI domains, but just use an in-kernel
> semaphore to arbitrate the single user at a given point in time who "owns"
> the VGA access, whatever bus it is on. So we need 2 things, both in-kernel
> and for userland:

Sounds good.  Cards usually POST pretty quickly, so that won't be a problem 
until someone puts 32 cards in a system (oh wait, that's not too far off :).

>  - A way to identify a VGA device on a given bus. Could this be a PCI
> ID (or in kernel a pci_dev ?). That would mean no support for non-PCI
> stuffs, how bad would that be ?

I personally don't care about anything but PCI, AGP and PCI-Express, but you 
make a good point about embedded stuff.

>  - Userland should use read/write for IOs imho, either to a /dev device
> (with maybe an ioctl to switch between PIO and VGA mem, though mmap is
> better for the later) or to some sysfs entry (in which case, can we add
> mmap call to a sysfs attribute ? last time I looked, it wasn't simple).

Yeah, that sounds reasonable.  I'd vote for a real device as opposed to sysfs 
files, for now at least.

Jesse

  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-04  2:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1091207136.2762.181.camel@rohan.arnor.net>
2004-07-30 17:24 ` Exposing ROM's though sysfs Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 19:14   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-07-30 20:26     ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 22:36       ` Alan Cox
2004-08-03 21:41         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-04  0:55           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-04  0:59             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-04  1:18               ` legacy VGA device requirements (was: Exposing ROM's though sysfs) Jesse Barnes
2004-08-13 15:53                 ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-13 16:11                   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-13 21:45                     ` Alan Cox
2004-08-13 21:43                   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-13 23:56                     ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-14 15:27                       ` Alan Cox
2004-08-14 16:36                         ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-20  4:46                         ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-20  4:53                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-08-20  5:03                             ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-20 11:14                           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-04  1:37               ` Exposing ROM's though sysfs Jon Smirl
2004-08-04  1:57                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-04  2:16                   ` Jesse Barnes [this message]
2004-07-30 16:53 Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 17:10 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 17:19   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 17:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-07-30 17:57     ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 18:06       ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 18:12       ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-07-30 18:12         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 18:20           ` Martin Mares
2004-07-30 18:49           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 19:55             ` Greg KH
2004-07-30 20:05               ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 20:16               ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 20:29                 ` Greg KH
2004-07-30 18:59         ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 19:04           ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-07-30 19:30             ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 19:35               ` Martin Mares
2004-07-30 19:39                 ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 19:46                   ` Martin Mares
2004-07-30 20:03                     ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 20:10                       ` Martin Mares
2004-07-30 20:13                         ` Martin Mares
2004-07-30 20:25                           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 20:32                         ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 20:41                           ` Martin Mares
2004-07-30 20:49                             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 20:54                               ` Martin Mares
2004-07-30 21:00                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 21:07                               ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 21:12                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 19:47               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-07-30 22:18             ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2004-07-30 22:39         ` Alan Cox
2004-07-30 19:25   ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 19:35     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-07-30 19:41       ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-30 19:48         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-07-30 20:20           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 22:41             ` Alan Cox

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