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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: Kaigai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>
Cc: Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>,
	"SELinux-ML(Eng)" <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	"Linux Kernel ML(Eng)" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: RCU issue with SELinux (Re: SELINUX performance issues)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:02:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040824230245.GA1243@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <042b01c489ab$8a871ce0$f97d220a@linux.bs1.fc.nec.co.jp>

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 04:25:32PM +0900, Kaigai Kohei wrote:
> Hi Stephen, Thanks for your comments.
> 
> > I'm not overly familiar with RCU myself, but the comments in list.h for
> > list_add_rcu suggest that you still need to hold a lock to avoid racing
> > with another list_add_rcu or list_del_rcu call on the same list.  But
> > avc_insert is calling list_add_rcu without holding any lock; can't it
> > race with another avc_insert on the same hash bucket?  Do I just
> > misunderstand, or is this unsafe?  Thanks for clarifying.
> 
> You are right. Indeed, the lock for hash bucket is also necessary
> when avc_insert() is called. I fixed them.
> 
> > I think we can likely eliminate the mutation of the node in the
> > !selinux_enforcing case in avc_has_perm_noaudit, i.e. eliminate the
> > entire else clause and just fall through with rc still 0.  Adding the
> > requested permissions to the node was simply to avoid flooding denials
> > in permissive mode on the same permission check, but this can be
> > addressed separately using the audit ratelimit mechanism.
> 
> I have another opinion.
> This simple mechanism against the flood of audit log is necessary,
> because it prevents the depletion of the system log buffer and denied log
> all over the console when we are debugging the security policy in permissive mode.
> So, I improved the avc_update_node() function and avc_node data structure.
> It does not need kmalloc() when avc_update_node(). 
> 
> This approach is good for durability and compatibility of original implementation,
> but double area of avc_nodes is needed for updating without kmalloc().
> This approach can apply to any kinds of updating of avc_entry.
> This idea is pretty complexer, though.
> 
> I modified the following points:
> - We hold the lock for hash backet when avc_insert() and avc_ss_reset() are
>   called for safety.
> - list_for_each_rcu() and list_entry() are replaced by list_for_entry().

One subtlety here...

The traversals that are protected by rcu_read_lock() (rather than an
update-side spinlock) need to be list_for_each_entry_rcu() rather than
list_for_each_entry().  The "_rcu()" is required in order to work
reliably on Alpha, and has the added benefit of calling out exactly
which traversals are RCU-protected.

Update-side code remains list_for_each_entry().

> - avc_node_dual structure which contains two avc_node objects is defined. 
>   It allows to do avc_update_node() without kmalloc() or any locks.

What happens when you have two consecutive updates to the same object?
Don't you have to defer the second update until a grace period has
elapsed since the first update in order to avoid confusing readers that
are still accessing the original version?

One way to do this would be to set a "don't-touch-me" bit that is
cleared by an RCU callback.  An update to an element with the
"don't-touch-me" bit set would block until the bit clears.  There
are probably better ways...

							Thanx, Paul

> Any comments please. Thanks.
> --------
> Kai Gai <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-08-24 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-16  9:33 RCU issue with SELinux (Re: SELINUX performance issues) Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-16 15:19 ` James Morris
2004-08-20 13:36   ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-20 14:53     ` James Morris
2004-08-24  7:27       ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-24 13:24         ` James Morris
2004-08-25  9:51           ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-25 18:31             ` James Morris
2004-08-25  9:52           ` [PATCH]atomic_inc_return() for i386/x86_64 (Re: RCU issue with SELinux) Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-20 17:31     ` RCU issue with SELinux (Re: SELINUX performance issues) Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2004-08-20 18:15       ` James Morris
2004-08-20 20:19     ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-08-20 20:35       ` James Morris
2004-08-24  7:27       ` Kaigai Kohei
     [not found]     ` <1093014789.16585.186.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>
2004-08-24  7:25       ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-24 15:37         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-25  9:51           ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-25 15:50             ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-25 16:11               ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-26  7:53               ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-26 13:24                 ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-27 11:07                   ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-30 11:17                   ` [PATCH]SELinux performance improvement by RCU (Re: RCU issue with SELinux) Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-30 15:35                     ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-30 16:13                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-08-31  4:33                         ` Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-31 16:20                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-08-31 15:33                     ` James Morris
2004-08-24 23:02         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2004-08-25  9:51           ` RCU issue with SELinux (Re: SELINUX performance issues) Kaigai Kohei
2004-08-25 17:34             ` Paul E. McKenney

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