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From: Roger Luethi <rl@hellgate.ch>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [BENCHMARK] nproc: netlink access to /proc information
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:52:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040829175245.GA32117@k3.hellgate.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040829172022.GL5492@holomorphy.com>

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:20:22 -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> > ==> 10000 processes: top -d 0 -b > /dev/null <==
> > CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> > Profiling through timer interrupt
> > samples  %        image name               symbol name
> > 35855    36.0707  vmlinux                  get_tgid_list
> > 9366      9.4223  vmlinux                  pid_alive
> > 7077      7.1196  libc-2.3.3.so            _IO_vfscanf_internal
> > 5386      5.4184  vmlinux                  number
> > 3664      3.6860  vmlinux                  proc_pid_stat
> 
> get_tgid_list() is a sad story I don't have time to go into in depth.
> The short version is that larger systems are extremely sensitive to
> hold time for writes on the tasklist_lock, and this being on scales
> not needing SGI participation to tell us (though scales beyond personal
> financial resources still).

I am confident that this problem (as far as process monitoring is
concerned) could be addressed with differential notification.

> > ==> /prod/pid/statm (2x) for 10000 processes <==
> > CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> > Profiling through timer interrupt
> > samples  %        image name               symbol name
> > 7430      9.9485  libc-2.3.3.so            _IO_vfscanf_internal
> > 6195      8.2948  vmlinux                  __d_lookup
> > 5477      7.3335  vmlinux                  task_statm
> > 5082      6.8046  vmlinux                  number
> > 3227      4.3208  vmlinux                  link_path_walk
> 
> scanf() is still very pronounced here; I wonder how well-optimized
> glibc's implementation is, or if otherwise it may be useful to
> circumvent it with a more specialized parser if its generality
> requirements preclude faster execution.

I'd much rather remove unnecessary overhead than optimize code for
overhead processing. Note that number() takes out 7% and that's the
_kernel_ printing numbers for user space to parse back. And __d_lookup
is another /proc souvenir you get to keep as long as you use /proc.

> > ==> 27 nproc fields for 10000 processes, one process per request <==
> > CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> > Profiling through timer interrupt
> > samples  %        image name               symbol name
> > 7647     25.0894  vmlinux                  __task_mem
> > 2125      6.9720  vmlinux                  find_pid
> > 1884      6.1813  vmlinux                  nproc_pid_fields
> > 1488      4.8820  vmlinux                  __task_mem_cheap
> > 1161      3.8092  vmlinux                  mmgrab
> 
> It looks like I'm going after the right culprit(s) for the lower-level
> algorithms from this.

Well __task_mem is promiment here because I don't call other computation
functions. vmstat ain't cheap, and wchan is horribly expensive if the
kernel does the ksym translation. Etc. pp.

Roger

  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-29 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-27 12:24 [0/2][ANNOUNCE] nproc: netlink access to /proc information Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 12:24 ` [1/2][PATCH] " Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 13:39   ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 12:24 ` [2/2][sample code] nproc: user space app Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 14:50 ` [0/2][ANNOUNCE] nproc: netlink access to /proc information James Morris
2004-08-27 15:26   ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 16:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-27 16:37   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-27 16:41     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-27 17:01   ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 17:08     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-28 19:45   ` [BENCHMARK] " Roger Luethi
2004-08-28 19:56     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-28 20:14       ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 16:05         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 17:02           ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 17:20             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 17:52               ` Roger Luethi [this message]
2004-08-29 18:16                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 19:00                   ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 20:17                     ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-29 20:46                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 21:45                         ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-29 22:11                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 21:41                       ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 23:31                         ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-30  7:16                           ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-30 10:31                       ` Paulo Marques
2004-08-30 10:53                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-30 12:23                           ` Paulo Marques
2004-08-30 12:28                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-30 13:43                               ` Paulo Marques
2004-08-29 19:07               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-29 19:17                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 19:49                   ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 20:25                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-31 10:16                       ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-31 15:34             ` [BENCHMARK] nproc: Look Ma, No get_tgid_list! Roger Luethi
2004-08-31 19:38               ` William Lee Irwin III

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