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From: Michael Buesch <mbuesch@freenet.de>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net>,
	Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sourceforge.net>,
	axboe@suse.de, bunk@fs.tum.de, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	arjanv@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: What policy for BUG_ON()?
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:16:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200409010016.36570.mbuesch@freenet.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F8184F90-FB94-11D8-9B58-000393ACC76E@mac.com>

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Quoting Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>:
> Then in most cases new statements would use BUG_CHECK, especially if
> they contain expensive unnecessary function calls or critical sections.
> 
> This would break the least amount of existing code, and provide both
> methods to kernel developers.

So, back to the real world. ;)
- Where do we insert BUG_ON()s?
Only in places, where we are going to crash or corrupt data soon.

- Do we insert "expensive unnecessary function calls" in a BUG_ON()?
No we don't. Could you give a good example, which
needs an expensive call inside a BUG_ON()?

In a shiny good world we expect BUG()s to never trigger. So I think
it's a bit crazy to check for things that theoretically can't happen
and waste tons of CPU cycles for this, with expensive calls.
If we really want to check this while debugging, I think we
should explicitely honor the DEBUG define in the code and have
our own debug printk() that shows the mess.

I think here's a general confusion about what BUG_ON() is intended
for. I think (I'm not the author of it, so I can't say 100%. :) )
it is _not_ for debugging while development. It is for checking unpossible
things, that blow up the whole machine if they trigger nevertheless.
So I think it's wrong to let BUG_ON() depend on a DEBUG define, because
DEBUG is, by definition, not enabled in the kernels people use.
But I think we _want_ that people evaluate the BUG_ON()s.

I'm not talking of embedded systems, etc... .

-- 
Regards Michael Buesch  [ http://www.tuxsoft.de.vu ]


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-31 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-31 15:06 What policy for BUG_ON()? Albert Cahalan
2004-08-31 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-08-31 17:39   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-31 21:30     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-31 22:16       ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2004-08-31 23:32         ` Kyle Moffett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-30 20:15 Adrian Bunk
2004-08-30 20:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-08-31  6:28   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-31 11:14     ` Paulo Marques
2004-08-31  0:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-08-31 11:28   ` Adrian Bunk

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