From: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Keith Whitwell <keith@tungstengraphics.com>,
Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New proposed DRM interface design
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:42:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040904114243.GC2785@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409041207060.25475@skynet>
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:12:31PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote:
> > > OK, I've found www.kernel.org, and clicked on the 'latest stable kernel' link.
> > > I got a file called "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". I tried to install this but
> > > nothing happened. My i915 still doesn't work. What do I do now?
> >
> > You could start getting a clue.
> >
>
> Which is the problem, Keith was acting as a user with no clue, and why
> should a user who can't get his graphics card working worry about kernel
> upgrades, along with X upgrades, the DRI has a workable snapshot process
> now
So, how in reality is our pepsi swigging spotty quake player, going to know
he needs to run off to download the latest dri snapshot if he is so clueless ?
If our imaginary hero is so clueless he won't even know what a 'dri' is,
and nor should he. Let alone know that he needs to go grab a patch for
some subsystem.
Regardless of what the folks at Tungsten would like you to believe,
end-users *do not* like changing bits of the distro from random sources.
"a 3d driver from here, a scsi driver from there". Next time they update
their system with their update tool of choice, it pulls down a security
errata for their kernel, and whoops, their 3d has gone, their scsi controller
disappears etc etc.
The next time they see a kernel security errata available they remember the
incident, and what happens? They blame the distro for breaking their setup,
and live with a potentially insecure system.
If dri stuff isn't getting into distros fast enough, take it up with the
distros. For Fedora at least, we have a very quick turnaround right now.
Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-09-04 11:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-04 0:12 New proposed DRM interface design Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 0:44 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 0:51 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 1:20 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 4:58 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 9:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 9:43 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 9:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 9:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-04 9:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 9:45 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 9:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 10:23 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 10:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 10:30 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 10:44 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-04 10:54 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 11:17 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 12:58 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-09-04 21:06 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-05 10:14 ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-09-04 10:57 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:12 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 11:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:24 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 11:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 21:34 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 22:41 ` viro
2004-09-04 23:33 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-05 2:10 ` Horst von Brand
2004-09-05 3:42 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 11:42 ` Dave Jones [this message]
2004-09-04 11:50 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 21:35 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 22:06 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-05 12:00 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-04 11:18 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:30 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:44 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:29 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 11:41 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 12:04 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 12:10 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 12:35 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 12:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 21:45 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-04 11:54 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 12:08 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 12:17 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 12:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 12:32 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 12:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-04 12:36 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 22:17 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 22:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 23:08 ` Felix Kühling
2004-09-04 12:20 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 13:52 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 15:36 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 15:56 ` Dieter Nützel
2004-09-04 17:43 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 18:03 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 12:07 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 15:05 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 14:15 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 15:33 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 14:44 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 14:58 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 16:05 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 15:13 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-07 8:43 ` Helge Hafting
2004-09-07 14:04 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-08 11:09 ` Helge Hafting
2004-09-06 6:06 ` Ryan Underwood
2004-09-05 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 17:27 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-05 21:12 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 20:53 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 22:11 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 22:59 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-06 20:58 ` Hamie
2004-09-06 20:15 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-06 21:38 ` Hamie
2004-09-06 21:47 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-06 22:18 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-09-07 19:21 ` Ian Romanick
2004-09-04 0:54 ` Alex Deucher
2004-09-04 0:59 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 1:25 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 19:03 ` Alex Deucher
2004-09-04 3:51 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 4:52 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 6:04 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 7:36 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 7:53 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 8:25 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 8:37 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 9:02 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 16:01 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 17:44 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 7:52 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 15:46 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <2191E8A1-FE89-11D8-BFDA-000A95F07A7A@fs.ei.tum.de>
2004-09-04 15:59 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 21:35 ` Eric Anholt
2004-09-07 21:01 ` Ian Romanick
2004-09-04 9:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
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