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From: "Antonino A. Daplas" <adaplas@hotpop.com>
To: "Dave Airlie" <airlied@linux.ie>, "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>
Cc: "Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	"Felix Kühling" <fxkuehl@gmx.de>,
	"DRI Devel" <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: radeon-pre-2
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:20:38 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200409111720.38477.adaplas@hotpop.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409110600120.26651@skynet>

On Saturday 11 September 2004 13:19, Dave Airlie wrote:
> The other thing I think some people are confusing is 2.4 fbdev and 2.6...
> there is no console support in 2.6 fbdev drivers, it is all in the fbcon
> stuff, so the fbdev drivers are only doing 2d mode setting and monitor
> detection, some points I've considered are:

Correct.  fbdev is almost completely separate from fbcon. And you can
actually rip out fbdev and place it anywhere you want. As long as fbcon has
access to a pointer to framebuffer memory, and the characteristics of the
display such as depth, pitch, etc, then the framebuffer console will work.
Throw in a few functions, such as for buffer flipping, and fbcon will be happy. 

Hardware acceleration is entirely optional, and most drivers except for a few
(such as vga16fb or amiga) can use the cfb_* drawing functions.

There's also a recent change in the latest bk tree that changes the
intialization order of the framebuffer system. Previously, fbcon triggers
fbmem, then fbmem triggers each individual drivers.  This method requires
that a working fbdev is present, otherwise fbcon will fail (although you can
do a con2fbmap later, or modprobe a driver). With the change, the
order is reversed, driver->fbmem->fbcon.  This change is probably
significant because fbcon can wait until an active framebuffer activates.

In theory, one can have a process (kernel or userland) change the video
mode, then provide the in-kernel driver with the necessary information
about the layout of the framebuffer.  When this in-kernel driver gets the
necessary information, it can trigger fbcon. This in-kernel driver need not
know anything about the hardware (unless 2D acceleration is needed).

Tony



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-11  9:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E3389AF2-0272-11D9-A8D1-000A95F07A7A@fs.ei.tum.de>
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     [not found]   ` <9e47339104090917353554a586@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409100209100.32064@skynet>
     [not found]       ` <9e47339104090919015b5b5a4d@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <20040910153135.4310c13a.felix@trabant>
     [not found]           ` <9e47339104091008115b821912@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <1094829278.17801.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]               ` <9e4733910409100937126dc0e7@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <1094832031.17883.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-10 17:22                   ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 17:04                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-10 18:40                       ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 22:19                         ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-10 22:00                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-10 23:24                             ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  7:40                               ` radeon-pre-2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-09-11  8:42                               ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 13:59                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  0:47                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11  8:43                               ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 12:23                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11 15:39                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 14:14                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  0:50                             ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  3:30                               ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11  5:19                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  6:12                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11  7:11                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 14:36                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 15:53                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 15:14                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:10                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 16:20                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:49                                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 17:59                                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 18:05                                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 18:09                                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-12  1:55                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11  9:20                                   ` Antonino A. Daplas [this message]
2004-09-11 14:40                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:34                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 14:33                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:46                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:21                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:27                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 11:40                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 19:10                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Hamie
2004-09-11 23:20                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12  9:13                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-09-12 11:36                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Hamie
2004-09-12 17:31                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:23                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 14:25                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12 22:42                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-12 23:03                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-13  0:27                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  0:45                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13  0:52                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13 14:52                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13 13:57                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:20                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13 15:07                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:20                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-13 19:21                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 20:42                                               ` radeon-pre-2 David Bronaugh
2004-09-13 21:57                                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 16:26                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  6:05                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 16:29                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  6:41                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-13 11:26                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:06                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 15:04                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 16:28                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 16:43                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 18:11                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 18:49                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Jesse Barnes
2004-09-13 22:17                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Antonino A. Daplas
2004-09-13 17:50                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-14 10:27                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  8:38                             ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-10 23:10                           ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 22:17                             ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 12:27                           ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 12:49                             ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11 16:45                               ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 16:11                             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:45                               ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 17:02                               ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 16:18                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:49                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 17:13                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:23                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:41                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 17:57                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11 20:29                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Eric Anholt
2004-09-11 21:41                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 17:54                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 18:13                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 21:02                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 21:06                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 21:37                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 23:23                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12  7:12                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Eric Anholt
2004-09-12  0:21                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-12  0:28                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-12 23:53                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11 18:17                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-10 17:12                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
     [not found]           ` <1094853894.18235.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-11  2:20             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl

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