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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] sched: fix scheduling latencies for !PREEMPT kernels
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:09:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040914140905.GM4180@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4146F33C.9030504@yahoo.com.au>

On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 11:33:48PM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> cond_rescheds everywhere? Isn't this now the worst of both worlds?

1) cond_resched should become a noop if CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
   (cond_resched_lock of course should still unlock/relock if
    need_resched() is set, but not __cond_resched).
2) all Ingo's new and old might_sleep should be converted to
   cond_resched (or optionally to cond_resched_costly, see point 5).
3) might_sleep should return a debug statement.
4) cond_resched should call might_sleep if need_resched is not set if
   CONFIG_PREEMPT=n is disabled, and it should _only_ call might_sleep
   if CONFIG_PREEMPT=y after we implement point 1.
5) no further config option should exist (if we really add an option
   it should be called CONFIG_COND_RESCHED_COSTLY of similar to 
   differentiate scheduling points in fast paths (like spinlock places
   with CONFIG_PREEMPT=n) (so you can choose between cond_resched() and
   cond_resched_costly())

I recommended point 2,3,4,5 already (a few of them twice), point 1 (your
point) looks lower prio (CONFIG_PREEMPT=y already does an overkill of
implicit need_resched() checks anyways).

> Why would someone who really cares about latency not enable preempt?

to avoid lots of worthless cond_resched in all spin_unlock and to avoid
kernel crashes if some driver is not preempt complaint?

I've a better question for you, why would someone ever disable
CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY? That config option is a nosense as far as I
can tell. If something it should be renamed to
"CONFIG_I_DON_T_WANT_TO_RUN_THE_OLD_KERNEL_CODE" ;)

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-14 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-14  9:15 [patch] preempt-cleanup.patch, 2.6.9-rc2 Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14  9:34 ` [printk] make console_conditional_schedule() __sched and use cond_resched() William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-14  9:38 ` [patch] preempt-lock-need-resched.patch, 2.6.9-rc2 Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14  9:51   ` [patch] sched: add cond_resched_softirq() Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14  9:57     ` [patch] sched: fix latency in random driver Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:06       ` [patch] sched, ext3: fix scheduling latencies in ext3 Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:13         ` [patch] sched, vfs: fix scheduling latencies in invalidate_inodes() Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:19         ` [patch] sched, vfs: fix scheduling latencies in prune_dcache() and select_parent() Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:25           ` [patch] sched, net: fix scheduling latencies in netstat Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:44             ` [patch] sched, net: fix scheduling latencies in __release_sock Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:50               ` [patch] sched, mm: fix scheduling latencies in copy_page_range() Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:56                 ` [patch] sched, mm: fix scheduling latencies in unmap_vmas() Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:59                 ` [patch] sched, mm: fix scheduling latencies in get_user_pages() Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 11:02                   ` [patch] sched, mm: fix scheduling latencies in filemap_sync() Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 11:06                     ` [patch] sched, tty: fix scheduling latencies in tty_io.c Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 10:53                       ` Alan Cox
2004-09-14 12:00                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 11:18                           ` Alan Cox
2004-09-14 12:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 12:11                               ` Alan Cox
2004-09-14 11:08                       ` [patch] sched, pty: fix scheduling latencies in pty.c Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 11:12                         ` [patch] might_sleep() additions to fs-writeback.c Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 11:25                         ` [patch] fix keventd execution dependency Ingo Molnar
2004-09-15 22:18                           ` Rusty Russell
2004-09-14 11:28                       ` [patch] sched: fix scheduling latencies in mttr.c Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 11:32                         ` [patch] sched: fix scheduling latencies in vgacon.c Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 11:35                         ` [patch] sched: fix scheduling latencies in NTFS mount Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 13:31                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-09-14 11:42                         ` [patch] sched: fix scheduling latencies for !PREEMPT kernels Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 12:55                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-14 13:22                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 13:33                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-14 14:09                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-09-14 14:28                                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-14 15:03                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-14 18:05                                       ` Robert Love
2004-09-14 18:52                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-14 19:02                                           ` Robert Love
2004-09-14 19:21                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-14 19:19                                               ` Alan Cox
2004-09-15  0:22                                                 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-15  1:46                                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-15  2:00                                                     ` Lee Revell
2004-09-15  2:36                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-15  2:59                                                         ` Lee Revell
2004-09-15 13:36                                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-15 20:40                                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-15  1:18                                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-14 19:26                                               ` Robert Love
2004-09-14 21:06                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-14 19:25                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-14 19:29                                               ` Robert Love
2004-09-14 19:34                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-15  1:02                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-09-15  1:39                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-15  2:11                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-09-15 11:17                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-15  9:56                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-15  9:57                                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-15 10:12                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 16:31                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-14 16:39                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-14 14:54                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 22:55                                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-15  6:19                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-15  8:23                                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-15  8:43                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-15 10:09                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-15 10:21                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-16  1:03                                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-16  6:14                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-15  0:35                                   ` Lee Revell
2004-09-14 13:25                         ` [patch] sched: fix scheduling latencies in mtrr.c Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 13:15                           ` Alan Cox
2004-09-14 15:00                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-09-14 18:22                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo

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