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From: Wolfgang Walter <ml-linux-kernel@studentenwerk.mhn.de>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>,
	Stefan Seyfried <seife@suse.de>,
	Bernd Eckenfels <ecki-news2004-05@lina.inka.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: mlock(1)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:32:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200409272232.38952.ml-linux-kernel@studentenwerk.mhn.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040927142946.GG28865@dualathlon.random>

> Basically to avoid to type the password during suspend, we'd need an
> algorihtm that encrypts with a public key stored on the harddisk and
> restore with the private key that sits only on a human brain.  The
> public key would be stored on the harddisk and it would be used by
> suspend to write to the swap partition. the resume password would be
> asked to the user and used to decrypt the data. I think it should work
> fine in theory.
>
> However AFIK those public/private key algorithms only works securely with
> tons of bits (a lot more than with a symmetic encryption), so I don't see
> how can an human could possibly remeber such a long private key by memory.
> I guess to make it work you'd need an USB pen to store it and unplug it
> (then you'd have to be careful not to lose the USB pen). So I think it's
> much simpler to use symmetric crypto (like cryptoloop) and to ask the
> password during suspend too.

You may do it like ssh: encrypt the private key with a symmetric cypher using 
a key based on a passphrase and store it on disk (of course this is only as 
secure as your passphrase).

On suspend: generate a symmetric-key KS, save memory to harddisk encrypted 
with KS, append the KS enrypted with the public key A_PUB. append the private 
encrypted key A_PRIV_ENCR_BASED_ON_PASSPHRASE  (which is stored on the 
harddisk). On resume user must type in passphrase, then we can decrypt 
A_PRIV_ENCR_BASED_ON_PASSPHRASE and get A_PRIV, decrypt KS and so decrypt 
saved memory.

Greetings,

Wolfgang Walter
-- 
Wolfgang Walter
Studentenwerk München
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Leopoldstraße 15
80802 München

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-27 20:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-24 19:57 mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:15 ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:21   ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:31   ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:33     ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:39       ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:22 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:41   ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:46     ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:54       ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:59         ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:48     ` mlock(1) Ryan Cumming
2004-09-24 21:07   ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-24 22:19     ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:30       ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 23:08         ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:59     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-24 23:46       ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25  1:07         ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  1:21           ` mlock(1) David Lang
2004-09-25  1:30             ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  1:46               ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  2:15                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  2:46                   ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  2:58                     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  3:29                       ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  4:07                         ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  4:52                           ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25 17:15                         ` mlock(1) Andy Lutomirski
2004-09-25  2:33                 ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25  1:27           ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03             ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-28 22:15               ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 23:26                 ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29  1:16                   ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29  1:23                     ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29  3:46                     ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29 12:34                       ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29 15:57                       ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-29 22:56                         ` mlock(1) Paul Jackson
2004-09-25 12:21           ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25 14:53             ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28  8:48               ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 17:42                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 18:54                   ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 19:17                     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 19:52                       ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-10-04 12:21                   ` mlock(1) Jack Lloyd
2004-09-24 23:59       ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25  0:25         ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25  1:18           ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27  6:16             ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 10:32               ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 14:29                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 20:32                   ` Wolfgang Walter [this message]
2004-09-27 14:16               ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 13:31                 ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29  1:48                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 14:34                 ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:07                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 15:25                     ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:38                       ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 13:04                     ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-27 22:22                 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 22:43                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03                     ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-24 20:24 ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 21:17 ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25  0:26   ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-25  1:28     ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25  1:33       ` mlock(1) Chris Wright

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