From: Jean-Luc Cooke <jlcooke@certainkey.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux@horizon.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
cryptoapi@lists.logix.cz
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL/PATCH 2] Fortuna PRNG in /dev/random
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:27:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040929202707.GO16057@certainkey.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040929193117.GB6862@thunk.org>
Why would we want to miss that when so much effort was made to meet the
requirements of the traditional /dev/random? So...
Here's patch v2.1.2 that waits at least 0.1 sec before reseeding for
non-blocking reads to alleviate Ted's concern wrt waiting for reseeds.
When reading nbytes from /dev/{u}random, Legacy /dev/random would:
- Mix nbytes of data from primary pool into secondary pool
- Then generate nbytes from secondary pool
When reading nbytes from /dev/{u}random, Fortuna-patch /dev/random would:
- Mix ??? of data from input pools into the AES key for output generation
- Then generate nbytes from AES256-CTR
Perhaps I miss the subtlety of the difference in terms of security. If
nbytes >= size of both pools - wouldn't Legacy also be vulnerable to the
same attack?
JLC
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 03:31:17PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> While addition of the entropy estimator helps protect the Fortuna
> Random number generator against a state extension attack, /dev/urandom
> is using the same entropy extraction routine as /dev/random, and so
> Fortuna is still vulernable to state extension attacks. This is
> because a key aspect of the Fortuna design has been ignored in JLC's
> implementation.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-09-29 20:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-24 0:59 [PROPOSAL/PATCH] Fortuna PRNG in /dev/random linux
2004-09-24 2:34 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-24 6:19 ` linux
2004-09-24 21:42 ` linux
2004-09-25 14:54 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-25 18:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-26 1:42 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-26 5:23 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-27 0:50 ` linux
2004-09-27 13:07 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-27 14:23 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-27 14:42 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-26 6:46 ` linux
2004-09-26 16:32 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-26 2:31 ` linux
2004-09-29 17:10 ` [PROPOSAL/PATCH 2] " Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-29 19:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-29 20:27 ` Jean-Luc Cooke [this message]
2004-09-29 21:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-29 21:53 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-29 23:24 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-30 0:21 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-30 4:23 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-30 6:50 ` James Morris
2004-09-30 9:03 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-09-30 13:36 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-10-01 12:56 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-09-30 10:46 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
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