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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: mlock(1)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:42:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040930174244.GL22008@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040928084850.GA18819@elf.ucw.cz>

On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 10:48:50AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > > There must be some way of being able to check the password is correct
> > > without compromising security by encrypting static text and storing it
> > > at a known location! Darned if I know what it is though.
> > 
> > good point! Maybe we can pick random signed chars in a 4k block and
> > guarantee their sum is always -123456. Would that be secure against
> > plaintext attack right? It's more like a checksum than a magic number,
> > but it should be a lot more secure than the "double" typo probability
> > (and this way the password will be asked only once during resume).
> > Generating those random numbers will not be the easiest thing though.
> 
> Actually, better solution probably is to encrypt 32-bit zero.
> 
> Then, you have 1:2^32 probability of accepting wrong password, still
> if you try to brute-force it, you'll find many possible passwords.

this is just the first step an attacker needs to rule out all the
impossible passwords and extend the crack to the other known bits. I
don't think it's secure. My suggestion OTOH sounds completely secure
(though much harder to implement).

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-30 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-24 19:57 mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:15 ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:21   ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:31   ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:33     ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:39       ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:22 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:41   ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:46     ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:54       ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:59         ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:48     ` mlock(1) Ryan Cumming
2004-09-24 21:07   ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-24 22:19     ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:30       ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 23:08         ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:59     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-24 23:46       ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25  1:07         ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  1:21           ` mlock(1) David Lang
2004-09-25  1:30             ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  1:46               ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  2:15                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  2:46                   ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  2:58                     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  3:29                       ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  4:07                         ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  4:52                           ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25 17:15                         ` mlock(1) Andy Lutomirski
2004-09-25  2:33                 ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25  1:27           ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03             ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-28 22:15               ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 23:26                 ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29  1:16                   ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29  1:23                     ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29  3:46                     ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29 12:34                       ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29 15:57                       ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-29 22:56                         ` mlock(1) Paul Jackson
2004-09-25 12:21           ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25 14:53             ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28  8:48               ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 17:42                 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-09-30 18:54                   ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 19:17                     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 19:52                       ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-10-04 12:21                   ` mlock(1) Jack Lloyd
2004-09-24 23:59       ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25  0:25         ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25  1:18           ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27  6:16             ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 10:32               ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 14:29                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 20:32                   ` mlock(1) Wolfgang Walter
2004-09-27 14:16               ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 13:31                 ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29  1:48                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 14:34                 ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:07                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 15:25                     ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:38                       ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 13:04                     ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-27 22:22                 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 22:43                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03                     ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-24 20:24 ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 21:17 ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25  0:26   ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-25  1:28     ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25  1:33       ` mlock(1) Chris Wright

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