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From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: pwil3058@bigpond.net.au, frankeh@watson.ibm.com,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, akpm@osdl.org,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, efocht@hpce.nec.com,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, hch@infradead.org,
	steiner@sgi.com, jbarnes@sgi.com, sylvain.jeaugey@bull.net,
	djh@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, colpatch@us.ibm.com,
	Simon.Derr@bull.net, ak@suse.de, sivanich@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:39:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041003083936.7c844ec3.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <821020000.1096814205@[10.10.2.4]>

Martin wrote:
> Matt had proposed having a separate sched_domain tree for each cpuset, which
> made a lot of sense, but seemed harder to do in practice because "exclusive"
> in cpusets doesn't really mean exclusive at all.

See my comments on this from yesterday on this thread.

I suspect we don't want a distinct sched_domain for each cpuset, but
rather a sched_domain for each of several entire subtrees of the cpuset
hierarchy, such that every CPU is in exactly one such sched domain, even
though it be in several cpusets in that sched_domain.  Perhaps each
cpuset in such a subtree points to the same reference counted
sched_domain, or perhaps each cpuset except the one at the root of the
subtree has a flag set, telling the scheduler to search up the cpuset
tree to find a sched_domain.  Probably the former, for performance
reasons.

As I can see even my own eyes glazing over trying to read what I just
wrote, let me give an example.

Let's say we have a 256 CPU system.  At the top level, we divide it into
five non-overlapping cpusets, of sizes 64, 64, 32, 28 and 4.  Each of
these five cpusets has its sched_domain, except the third one, of 32 CPUs.
That one is subdivided into 4 cpusets, of 8 CPUs each, non-overlapping,
each of the four with its own sched_domain.

[Aside - granted this is topologically equivalent to the flattened
partitioning into the eight cpusets of sizes 64, 64, 8, 8, 8, 8, 28 and
4.  Perhaps the 32 CPUs were farmed out to the Professor of Eccentric
Economics, who has permission to manage his 32 CPUs and divide them
further, but who lacks permission to modify the top layer of the cpuset
hierarchy.]

So we have eight cpusets, non-overlapping and covering the entire
system, each with its own sched_domain.  Now within those cpusets,
for various application reasons, further subdivisions occur.  But
no more sched_domains are created, and the existing sched_domains
apply to all tasks attached to any cpuset in their cpuset subtree.

On the other topic you raise, of the meaning (or lack thereof) of
"exclusive".  Perhaps "exclusive" should not a property of a node in
this tree, but rather a property of a node under a certain covering or
mapping.  You note we need a map from the range of CPUs to the domain
sched_domain's, specifying for each CPU its unique sched_domain.  And we
might have some other map on these same CPUs or Memory Nodes for other
purposes.  I am afraid I've forgotten too much of my math from long long
ago to state this with exactly the right terms.  But I can imagine
adding a little bit more code to cpusets, that kept a small list of such
mappings over the domains of CPUs and Memory Nodes, and that validated,
on each cpuset change, that each mapping preserved whatever properties
of covering and non-overlapping that it was marked for.  One of these
mappings could be into the range of sched_domains and be marked for both
covering and non-overlapping.

-- 
                          I won't rest till it's the best ...
                          Programmer, Linux Scalability
                          Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.650.933.1373

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-03 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 233+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-05 10:08 [PATCH] new bitmap list format (for cpusets) Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 10:10 ` [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 20:55   ` [Lse-tech] " Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06  2:05     ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06  3:24       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06  8:31         ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06 15:30         ` Erich Focht
2004-08-06 15:35           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06 15:48             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-07  6:30               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-07  6:45               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06 15:49             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-06 15:52             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-06 15:55             ` Erich Focht
2004-08-07  6:10           ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-07 15:22             ` Erich Focht
2004-08-07 18:59               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08  3:17               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08 14:50               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11  0:43                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11  9:40                 ` Erich Focht
2004-08-11 14:49                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11 17:50                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 21:12                       ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-12  7:15                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12 12:58                           ` Jack Steiner
2004-08-12 14:50                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11 15:12                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-08 20:22               ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-09 15:57                 ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-10 11:31                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-08-10 22:38                     ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-11 10:42                       ` Erich Focht
2004-08-11 14:56                         ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-14  8:51                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08 19:58             ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-10-01 23:41               ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-02  6:06                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 14:55                   ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-10-02 16:14                     ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 18:04                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 23:21                       ` Peter Williams
2004-10-02 23:44                         ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-03  0:00                           ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  3:44                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05  3:13                           ` [ckrm-tech] " Matthew Helsley
2004-10-05  8:30                             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-05 14:20                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  2:59                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:19                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:53                           ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  4:47                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  5:12                               ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  5:39                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  4:02                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:39                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 14:36                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-03 15:39                           ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2004-10-03 23:53                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  0:02                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  0:53                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  3:56                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  4:24                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:03                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 15:53                                         ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 18:17                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 20:25                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 22:15                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-05  9:17                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 10:01                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 22:24                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-05  9:26                                         ` Simon Derr
2004-10-05  9:58                                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 19:34                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-06  0:28                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  1:16                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-06  2:08                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 22:59                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06 23:23                                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-10-07  0:16                                                       ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-07 18:27                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07  8:51                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 10:53                                                       ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-07 14:41                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
     [not found]                                                         ` <20041007072842.2bafc320.pj@sgi.com>
2004-10-07 19:05                                                           ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-10  2:15                                                             ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:06                                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:58                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-12 21:22                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-12  8:50                                                                 ` Simon Derr
2004-10-12 21:25                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-10  2:28                                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:06                                                           ` Matthew Dobson
     [not found]                                                           ` <4165A31E.4070905@watson.ibm.com>
2004-10-08 13:14                                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-08 15:42                                                               ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-08 18:23                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  1:00                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-09 20:08                                                                     ` [Lse-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:16                                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:42                                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  0:05                                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:18                                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:39                                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:51                                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-10  0:50                                                                 ` [Lse-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  0:59                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:22                                                             ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-12 22:24                                                               ` [Lse-tech] " Hanna Linder
2004-10-13 20:56                                                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07 12:47                                                       ` [Lse-tech] " Simon Derr
2004-10-07 14:49                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-07 17:54                                                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 18:13                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08  9:23                                                               ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08  9:50                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-08 10:40                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08 14:26                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08  9:53                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-08 11:40                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08 14:24                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08 22:37                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-14 10:35                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-10-14 11:22                                                                 ` Erich Focht
2004-10-14 11:23                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-14 19:39                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-14 22:38                                                                   ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-15  1:26                                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 18:25                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-07 19:52                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 21:04                                                                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Matthew Helsley
2004-10-10  3:22                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 19:16                                                             ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-10  2:35                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  5:12                                                           ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-08 23:48                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-09  0:18                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-11 23:00                                                           ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 23:09                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-05 22:33                                           ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06  3:01                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 23:12                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07  8:59                                                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  0:45                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 11:44                                 ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-04 22:46                                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 22:19                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06  2:39                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 23:21                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07  9:41                                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  2:47                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  9:43                                   ` Simon Derr
2004-10-06 13:27                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 21:55                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-10-06 22:49                                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  8:02                                 ` Simon Derr
2005-02-07 23:59                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08  0:20                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-08  0:34                                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08  9:54                                   ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-02-08  9:49                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-08 16:13                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-02-08 23:26                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-09  4:23                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08 19:32                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-09  2:53                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-08 19:00                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08 20:42                                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08 22:14                                         ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08 23:58                                           ` Shailabh Nagar
2005-02-09  0:27                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-09  0:24                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-09 17:59                                         ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11  2:46                                           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11  9:21                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-12  1:37                                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-12  6:16                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-11 16:54                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-11 18:42                                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11 18:50                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-08 16:15                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-02-08 22:17                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-03 16:02                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 23:47                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  3:33                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 20:10                           ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-04  1:56                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:35                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 20:21                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-03 20:48                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-04 14:05                       ` Erich Focht
2004-10-04 14:57                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 15:30                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:41                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 16:02                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 18:19                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 18:29                                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:38                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 16:46                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  3:41                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 13:58                     ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-04 14:13                       ` Simon Derr
2004-10-04 14:15                       ` Erich Focht
2004-10-04 15:23                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 14:37                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 15:46                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Marc E. Fiuczynski
2004-10-02 16:17                   ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 17:53                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 18:16                       ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 19:14                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 23:29                         ` Peter Williams
2004-10-02 23:51                           ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 20:40                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-02 23:08                       ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 22:26                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-03  2:49                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 12:19                           ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-03  3:25                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  2:26                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 14:11                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 17:47                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 20:47 ` [Lse-tech] [PATCH] new bitmap list format (for cpusets) Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-05 21:45   ` Paul Jackson
     [not found]     ` <Pine.A41.4.53.0408060930100.20680@isabelle.frec.bull.fr>
2004-08-06 10:14       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-09  8:01   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-09 14:49     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-10 23:43       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 13:11 ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-11 16:17   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 18:05     ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-11 20:40       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12  9:48         ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-12 10:11           ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12 12:34             ` Dinakar Guniguntala

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