From: Jack Lloyd <lloyd@randombit.net>
To: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: mlock(1)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:21:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041004122120.GG664@acm.jhu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040930174244.GL22008@dualathlon.random>
On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 07:42:44PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> >
> > Actually, better solution probably is to encrypt 32-bit zero.
> >
> > Then, you have 1:2^32 probability of accepting wrong password, still
> > if you try to brute-force it, you'll find many possible passwords.
>
> this is just the first step an attacker needs to rule out all the
> impossible passwords and extend the crack to the other known bits. I
> don't think it's secure. My suggestion OTOH sounds completely secure
> (though much harder to implement).
PGP actually uses a similiar techinique (80 bits of randomness, with bytes 9+10
being repeats of 7+8) to check for bad decrypts. With 16 bits of checksum, the
attacker only is able to eliminate about (2^16-1)/2^16 of the keys, which seems
like a lot, but only reduces the keylength by 16 bits. If you're using
reasonably sized keys (>=128 bits) that's not a problem because the remaining
keyspace is still much larger than the set of likely passphrases (even quite
good passphrases rarely get over 80 or 90 bits of entropy).
-Jack
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-04 12:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-24 19:57 mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:15 ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:21 ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:31 ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:33 ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:39 ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:22 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:41 ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:46 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:54 ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:59 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:48 ` mlock(1) Ryan Cumming
2004-09-24 21:07 ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-24 22:19 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:30 ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 23:08 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:59 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-24 23:46 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25 1:07 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25 1:21 ` mlock(1) David Lang
2004-09-25 1:30 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25 1:46 ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25 2:15 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25 2:46 ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25 2:58 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25 3:29 ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25 4:07 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25 4:52 ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25 17:15 ` mlock(1) Andy Lutomirski
2004-09-25 2:33 ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25 1:27 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03 ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-28 22:15 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 23:26 ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29 1:16 ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29 1:23 ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29 3:46 ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29 12:34 ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29 15:57 ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-29 22:56 ` mlock(1) Paul Jackson
2004-09-25 12:21 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25 14:53 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 8:48 ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 17:42 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 18:54 ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 19:17 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 19:52 ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-10-04 12:21 ` Jack Lloyd [this message]
2004-09-24 23:59 ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25 0:25 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25 1:18 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 6:16 ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 10:32 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 14:29 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 20:32 ` mlock(1) Wolfgang Walter
2004-09-27 14:16 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 13:31 ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29 1:48 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 14:34 ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:07 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 15:25 ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:38 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 13:04 ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-27 22:22 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 22:43 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-24 20:24 ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 21:17 ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25 0:26 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-25 1:28 ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25 1:33 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
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