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From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: Rick Lindsley <ricklind@us.ibm.com>
Cc: colpatch@us.ibm.com, mbligh@aracnet.com, Simon.Derr@bull.net,
	pwil3058@bigpond.net.au, frankeh@watson.ibm.com,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, akpm@osdl.org,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, efocht@hpce.nec.com,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, hch@infradead.org,
	steiner@sgi.com, jbarnes@sgi.com, sylvain.jeaugey@bull.net,
	djh@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ak@suse.de,
	sivanich@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] Re: [Lse-tech] [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:28:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041009192823.4ffdfb3c.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200410071905.i97J57TS014336@owlet.beaverton.ibm.com>

Rick wrote:
> One does?  No, in my world, there's constant auditing going on and if
> you can get away with having a machine idle, power to ya, but chances
> are somebody's going to come and take away at least the cycles and maybe

I don't doubt that such worlds as yours exist, nor that you live in one.

In some of the worlds my customers live in, they have been hit so many
times with the pains of performance degradation and variation due to
unwanted interaction between applications that they get nervous if a
supposedly unused CPU or Memory looks to be in use.  Just the common use
by Linux of unused memory to keep old pages in cache upsets them.

And, perhaps more to the point, while indeed some other department may
soon show up to make use of those lost cycles, the computer had jolly
well better leave those cycles lost _until_ the customer decides to use
them.

Unlike the computer in my dentists office, which should "just do it",
maximizing throughput as best it can, not asking any questions, the
computers in some of my customers high end shops are managed more tightly
(sometimes very tightly) and they expect to control load placement.

-- 
                          I won't rest till it's the best ...
                          Programmer, Linux Scalability
                          Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.650.933.1373

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-10  2:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 234+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-05 10:08 [PATCH] new bitmap list format (for cpusets) Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 10:10 ` [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 20:55   ` [Lse-tech] " Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06  2:05     ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06  3:24       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06  8:31         ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06 15:30         ` Erich Focht
2004-08-06 15:35           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06 15:48             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-07  6:30               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-07  6:45               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06 15:49             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-06 15:52             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-06 15:55             ` Erich Focht
2004-08-07  6:10           ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-07 15:22             ` Erich Focht
2004-08-07 18:59               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08  3:17               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08 14:50               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11  0:43                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11  9:40                 ` Erich Focht
2004-08-11 14:49                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11 17:50                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 21:12                       ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-12  7:15                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12 12:58                           ` Jack Steiner
2004-08-12 14:50                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11 15:12                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-08 20:22               ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-09 15:57                 ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-10 11:31                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-08-10 22:38                     ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-11 10:42                       ` Erich Focht
2004-08-11 14:56                         ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-14  8:51                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08 19:58             ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-10-01 23:41               ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-02  6:06                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 14:55                   ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-10-02 16:14                     ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 18:04                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 23:21                       ` Peter Williams
2004-10-02 23:44                         ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-03  0:00                           ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  3:44                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05  3:13                           ` [ckrm-tech] " Matthew Helsley
2004-10-05  8:30                             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-05 14:20                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  2:59                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:19                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:53                           ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  4:47                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  5:12                               ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  5:39                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  4:02                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:39                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 14:36                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-03 15:39                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 23:53                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  0:02                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  0:53                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  3:56                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  4:24                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:03                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 15:53                                         ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 18:17                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 20:25                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 22:15                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-05  9:17                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 10:01                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 22:24                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-05  9:26                                         ` Simon Derr
2004-10-05  9:58                                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 19:34                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-06  0:28                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  1:16                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-06  2:08                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 22:59                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06 23:23                                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-10-07  0:16                                                       ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-07 18:27                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07  8:51                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 10:53                                                       ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-07 14:41                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
     [not found]                                                         ` <20041007072842.2bafc320.pj@sgi.com>
2004-10-07 19:05                                                           ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-10  2:15                                                             ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:06                                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:58                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-12 21:22                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-12  8:50                                                                 ` Simon Derr
2004-10-12 21:25                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-10  2:28                                                             ` Paul Jackson [this message]
     [not found]                                                           ` <4165A31E.4070905@watson.ibm.com>
2004-10-08 13:14                                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-08 15:42                                                               ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-08 18:23                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  1:00                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-09 20:08                                                                     ` [Lse-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:16                                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:42                                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  0:05                                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:18                                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:39                                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:51                                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-10  0:50                                                                 ` [Lse-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  0:59                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:22                                                             ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-12 22:24                                                               ` [Lse-tech] " Hanna Linder
2004-10-13 20:56                                                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-09  0:06                                                           ` [Lse-tech] " Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07 12:47                                                       ` Simon Derr
2004-10-07 14:49                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-07 17:54                                                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 18:13                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08  9:23                                                               ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08  9:50                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-08 10:40                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08 14:26                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08  9:53                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-08 11:40                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08 14:24                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08 22:37                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-14 10:35                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-10-14 11:22                                                                 ` Erich Focht
2004-10-14 11:23                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-14 19:39                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-14 22:38                                                                   ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-15  1:26                                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 18:25                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-07 19:52                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 21:04                                                                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Matthew Helsley
2004-10-10  3:22                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 19:16                                                             ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-10  2:35                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  5:12                                                           ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-08 23:48                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-09  0:18                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-11 23:00                                                           ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 23:09                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-05 22:33                                           ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06  3:01                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 23:12                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07  8:59                                                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  0:45                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 11:44                                 ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-04 22:46                                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 22:19                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06  2:39                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 23:21                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07  9:41                                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  2:47                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  9:43                                   ` Simon Derr
2004-10-06 13:27                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 21:55                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-10-06 22:49                                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  8:02                                 ` Simon Derr
2005-02-07 23:59                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08  0:20                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-08  0:34                                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08  9:54                                   ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-02-08  9:49                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-08 16:13                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-02-08 23:26                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-09  4:23                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08 19:32                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-09  2:53                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-08 19:00                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08 20:42                                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08 22:14                                         ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08 23:58                                           ` Shailabh Nagar
2005-02-09  0:27                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-09  0:24                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-09 17:59                                         ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11  2:46                                           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11  9:21                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-12  1:37                                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-12  6:16                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-11 16:54                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-11 18:42                                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11 18:50                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-08 16:15                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-02-08 22:17                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-03 16:02                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 23:47                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  3:33                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 20:10                           ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-04  1:56                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:35                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 20:21                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-03 20:48                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-04 14:05                       ` Erich Focht
2004-10-04 14:57                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 15:30                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:41                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 16:02                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 18:19                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 18:29                                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:38                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 16:46                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  3:41                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 13:58                     ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-04 14:13                       ` Simon Derr
2004-10-04 14:15                       ` Erich Focht
2004-10-04 15:23                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 14:37                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 15:46                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Marc E. Fiuczynski
2004-10-02 16:17                   ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 17:53                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 18:16                       ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 19:14                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 23:29                         ` Peter Williams
2004-10-02 23:51                           ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 20:40                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-02 23:08                       ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 22:26                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-03  2:49                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 12:19                           ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-03  3:25                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  2:26                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 14:11                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 17:47                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 20:47 ` [Lse-tech] [PATCH] new bitmap list format (for cpusets) Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-05 21:45   ` Paul Jackson
     [not found]     ` <Pine.A41.4.53.0408060930100.20680@isabelle.frec.bull.fr>
2004-08-06 10:14       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-09  8:01   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-09 14:49     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-10 23:43       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 13:11 ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-11 16:17   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 18:05     ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-11 20:40       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12  9:48         ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-12 10:11           ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12 12:34             ` Dinakar Guniguntala
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-05  6:05 [ckrm-tech] Re: [Lse-tech] [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement Stan Hoeppner

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