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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, James Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: BK kernel workflow
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041028195947.GD3207@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041028151004.GA3934@work.bitmover.com>

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On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 08:10:04AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 04:06:20PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > Le jeu 28/10/2004 ?? 15:53, Larry McVoy a ??crit :
> > 
> > > The reason it is worded that way is so that we avoid the situation where
> > > one guy is doing the work on $SCM and the other guy is sitting there 
> > > running BK commands in order to reverse engineer BK.
> > 
> > I don't think you can stop that from happening, legally.
> 
> Since you haven't paid for the product, copyright law applies and
> that's quite different than contract law.  You get a certain set
> of rights, which vary worldwide, when you buy something.  Copyright
> is far more restrictive.

US copyright law isn't the only one in the world...

> "Fair use" != "reverse engineering" in any venue so far as I know.

German copyright law explicitely allows every person allowed to use a 
program to observe and test this program for getting the ideas behind 
the program as long as you can do this through normal usage of the 
program.

If you aren't building a similar program but require disassembling for 
interoperability, this is explicitely allowded.

According to German copyright law, any licence clauses that violate 
these rules are void [1].

Note that German copyright lay doesn't differentiate whether you paid 
or not - it only requires that you allowed to use the program.

> As always, IANAL, so contact yours for clarification.

These are paragraphs 69d(3), 69e and 69g(2) of German copyright law - 
IANAL, but the text of the law is pretty unambiguous.

cu
Adrian

[1] the clauses are void, not the licence itself

- -- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-28 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <41752E53.8060103@pobox.com>
     [not found] ` <20041019153126.GG18939@work.bitmover.com>
2004-10-19 16:06   ` BK kernel workflow Jeff Garzik
2004-10-19 21:33     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-19 21:38       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-19 21:54         ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-19 22:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-20  7:35             ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-23 16:12             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-24 10:24               ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-24 14:44                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-24 16:44                   ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-24 23:32                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 11:33                       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 11:46                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 12:29                         ` Joe Perches
2004-10-25 13:39                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 15:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 15:43                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 16:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 17:22                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 20:04                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26  2:19                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 16:20                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 16:47                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 17:12                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 17:34                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 17:18                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 17:37                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-26  0:06                                   ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-26  0:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-26  2:21                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-10-27  2:05                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27  3:00                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27  4:18                                           ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27 16:45                                             ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-27 18:12                                             ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-27 20:56                                           ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 21:20                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-28  1:14                                               ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28  1:34                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27 21:45                                             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31 19:50                                               ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-28  9:20                                           ` James Bruce
2004-10-28 11:39                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-28 13:53                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 14:06                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2004-10-28 15:10                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 19:20                                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 19:25                                                   ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 19:38                                                     ` Kevin P. Fleming
2004-10-28 19:22                                                       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 23:22                                                       ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 23:59                                                         ` David S. Miller
2004-10-29  0:25                                                           ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 14:31                                                             ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 14:35                                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2004-10-29 17:02                                                               ` The requested ruling (Was: BK kernel workflow) Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30  2:08                                                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 19:59                                                   ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2004-10-28 21:35                                                     ` BK kernel workflow Larry McVoy
2004-10-30  6:51                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-30 23:46                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 23:05                                                           ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31 17:47                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  0:28                                                           ` Robert Love
2004-10-31  1:11                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-29 17:19                                                   ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 17:36                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:06                                                       ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-29 18:20                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:08                                                       ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 18:21                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:33                                                         ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 18:55                                                           ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 19:14                                                             ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30  5:04                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-30 20:42                                                                 ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30 23:35                                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  0:20                                                                     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-31  2:37                                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-31  3:34                                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  4:01                                                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-31  4:39                                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  2:44                                                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-29 19:39                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 20:33                                                               ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-29 23:38                                                                 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 21:11                                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-30  2:39                                                               ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30  2:02                                                             ` Al Viro
2004-10-29 19:13                                                           ` Ramón Rey Vicente
     [not found]                                                             ` <45898.65.208.227.246.1099077395.squirrel@www.lrsehosting.com>
2004-10-29 19:26                                                               ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 23:01                                                                 ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-29 20:32                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29 22:41                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 11:38                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-31 21:03                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 21:14                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 21:21                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 21:35                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 21:46                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 23:44                                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-11-01  3:16                                                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2004-11-01  4:57                                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-11-01  8:39                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-26  1:01                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27  2:30                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27  3:54                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27 20:58                                           ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 21:16                                             ` Joe Perches
2004-10-28  0:54                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28  1:49                                               ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28  2:35                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-28  3:09                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 21:03                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28 21:39                                                     ` Eric Mudama
2004-10-28 22:45                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 22:54                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29  8:09                                                       ` Manu Abraham
2004-10-29 14:28                                                         ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 15:49                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29 16:41                                                           ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 17:20                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-10-30  0:41                                                               ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 19:03                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-29 20:00                                                               ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-30  0:41                                                               ` David Schwartz
2004-10-31 20:47                                               ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 20:53                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 22:07                                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-10-28  1:05                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.1098759000.989.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2004-10-30  3:55                                     ` Pete Zaitcev
2004-10-25 19:51                                 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-26  0:58                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-26  2:23                                     ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 18:18                               ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-25 23:01                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-26  1:28                                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-10-26  2:26                                   ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-26  6:57                                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-26 13:09                                   ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-24 17:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24 17:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24 18:39                     ` Michael Buesch
2004-10-26  7:32                       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-24 22:33                   ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-24 23:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-19 23:27           ` Greg KH
2004-10-25 13:01             ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 14:39               ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-25 15:48               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-25 16:35                 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 22:05                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-20  8:31     ` maximilian attems
2004-10-20  9:05       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26  7:38 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 14:23 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-26 18:16   ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-26 19:22     ` Larry McVoy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-26 15:54 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 20:47 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.gikv4k0.1tk6shk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.d7r9f2v.1i6a6on@ifi.uio.no>
2004-10-30 20:54   ` walt

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