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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, James Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: BK kernel workflow
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:35:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041028213534.GA29335@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041028195947.GD3207@stusta.de>

> Note that German copyright lay doesn't differentiate whether you paid 
> or not - it only requires that you allowed to use the program.

Sure, but you aren't allowed to use it if you are going to do this.
That's pretty unambiguous as well and we think we can make it stick,
or at least that's what the lawyers have told me.

It's most unfortunate that people take the position "hey, I can rip off
your stuff, here's the law that says so" when it is something we gave 
them to use for free.  All that means is that we stopped improving the
free version and put all the effort into the commercial version because
we just can't afford the risk exposure.

All of the "we can do whatever we want" statements may well be true, I
don't really know and don't really care.  But the fact that people take
the attitude that it's OK to bite the hand that feeds you is doing nothing
but shooting yourself in the foot.  What are we supposed to do in the face
of "I can rip you off, here's the law"?  Give you more stuff to copy?
-- 
---
Larry McVoy                lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitkeeper.com

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-28 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <41752E53.8060103@pobox.com>
     [not found] ` <20041019153126.GG18939@work.bitmover.com>
2004-10-19 16:06   ` BK kernel workflow Jeff Garzik
2004-10-19 21:33     ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-19 21:38       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-19 21:54         ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-19 22:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-20  7:35             ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-23 16:12             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-24 10:24               ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-24 14:44                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-24 16:44                   ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-24 23:32                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 11:33                       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 11:46                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 12:29                         ` Joe Perches
2004-10-25 13:39                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 15:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 15:43                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 16:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 17:22                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 20:04                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26  2:19                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 16:20                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 16:47                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 17:12                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 17:34                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 17:18                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 17:37                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-26  0:06                                   ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-26  0:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-26  2:21                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-10-27  2:05                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27  3:00                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27  4:18                                           ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27 16:45                                             ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-27 18:12                                             ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-27 20:56                                           ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 21:20                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-28  1:14                                               ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28  1:34                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27 21:45                                             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31 19:50                                               ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-28  9:20                                           ` James Bruce
2004-10-28 11:39                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-28 13:53                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 14:06                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2004-10-28 15:10                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 19:20                                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 19:25                                                   ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 19:38                                                     ` Kevin P. Fleming
2004-10-28 19:22                                                       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 23:22                                                       ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 23:59                                                         ` David S. Miller
2004-10-29  0:25                                                           ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 14:31                                                             ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 14:35                                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2004-10-29 17:02                                                               ` The requested ruling (Was: BK kernel workflow) Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30  2:08                                                                 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 19:59                                                   ` BK kernel workflow Adrian Bunk
2004-10-28 21:35                                                     ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2004-10-30  6:51                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-30 23:46                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 23:05                                                           ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31 17:47                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  0:28                                                           ` Robert Love
2004-10-31  1:11                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-29 17:19                                                   ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 17:36                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:06                                                       ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-29 18:20                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:08                                                       ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 18:21                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:33                                                         ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 18:55                                                           ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 19:14                                                             ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30  5:04                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-30 20:42                                                                 ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30 23:35                                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  0:20                                                                     ` David Schwartz
2004-10-31  2:37                                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-31  3:34                                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  4:01                                                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-31  4:39                                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31  2:44                                                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-29 19:39                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 20:33                                                               ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-29 23:38                                                                 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 21:11                                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-30  2:39                                                               ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30  2:02                                                             ` Al Viro
2004-10-29 19:13                                                           ` Ramón Rey Vicente
     [not found]                                                             ` <45898.65.208.227.246.1099077395.squirrel@www.lrsehosting.com>
2004-10-29 19:26                                                               ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 23:01                                                                 ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-29 20:32                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29 22:41                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 11:38                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-31 21:03                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 21:14                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 21:21                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 21:35                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 21:46                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 23:44                                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-11-01  3:16                                                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2004-11-01  4:57                                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-11-01  8:39                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-26  1:01                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27  2:30                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27  3:54                                         ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27 20:58                                           ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 21:16                                             ` Joe Perches
2004-10-28  0:54                                             ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28  1:49                                               ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28  2:35                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-28  3:09                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 21:03                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28 21:39                                                     ` Eric Mudama
2004-10-28 22:45                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 22:54                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29  8:09                                                       ` Manu Abraham
2004-10-29 14:28                                                         ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 15:49                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29 16:41                                                           ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 17:20                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-10-30  0:41                                                               ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 19:03                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-29 20:00                                                               ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-30  0:41                                                               ` David Schwartz
2004-10-31 20:47                                               ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 20:53                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 22:07                                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-10-28  1:05                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.1098759000.989.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2004-10-30  3:55                                     ` Pete Zaitcev
2004-10-25 19:51                                 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-26  0:58                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-26  2:23                                     ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 18:18                               ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-25 23:01                                 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-26  1:28                                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-10-26  2:26                                   ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-26  6:57                                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-26 13:09                                   ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-24 17:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24 17:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24 18:39                     ` Michael Buesch
2004-10-26  7:32                       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-24 22:33                   ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-24 23:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-19 23:27           ` Greg KH
2004-10-25 13:01             ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 14:39               ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-25 15:48               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-25 16:35                 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 22:05                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-20  8:31     ` maximilian attems
2004-10-20  9:05       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26  7:38 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 14:23 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-26 18:16   ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-26 19:22     ` Larry McVoy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-26 15:54 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 20:47 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.gikv4k0.1tk6shk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.d7r9f2v.1i6a6on@ifi.uio.no>
2004-10-30 20:54   ` walt

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