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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] optional non-interactive mode for cpu scheduler
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:52:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041102135220.GA20237@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41878E47.5090805@kolivas.org>


* Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:

> I'll look into coding it later this week (thanks for suggesting I do
> it btw). This ordeal has left me seriously sleep deprived :P

:-|

> Since we're considering providing a special cpu policy for high
> latency high cpu usage, does that mean we can now talk about other
> policies like batch, isochronous etc? And in the medium to long term
> future, gang and group?

SCHED_ISO would be interesting, but all SCHED_BATCH patches that i've
seen so far were fundamentally broken. [ none protects against the
possibility of a simple CPU hog starving a SCHED_BATCH task in kernel
mode holding say /home's i_sem forever. None except the one i wrote a
couple of years ago that is ;-) ]

but obviously any new scheduling policy first needs considerable
testing, exposure and concensus. The main thing that makes
SCHED_CPUBOUND possibly objectionable is that it could easily be used as
a flag to 'turn off the interactivity code', which is wrong and just
prolongs the fixing of interactivity-estimator bugs. Scientific apps
burn CPU time exclusively and they have a stable priority at the low end
of the range.

One exception would be CPU-bound code with multiple threads which
interact with each other - one always runs but the others always sleep.
A possible solution would be to exclude all inter-task synchronization
methods from the 'interactivity boost' and only hard-device-waits would
be considered true 'waiting', such as keyboard, mouse, disk or network
IO.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-02 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-02  5:31 [PATCH] optional non-interactive mode for cpu scheduler Con Kolivas
2004-11-02 12:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-02 13:02   ` Con Kolivas
2004-11-02 13:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-02 13:40       ` Con Kolivas
2004-11-02 13:52         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-11-02 17:17           ` Kyle Moffett
2004-11-03  9:16           ` Con Kolivas

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