[2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Adrian Bunk]

The trivial patch below still applies against 2.6.10-rc2-mm2.

Please apply.


----- Forwarded message from Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> -----

Date:	Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:59:58 +0100
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry

I'm not sure whether it makes sense to list the previous maintainers for 
orphaned code, but if such entries contain buouncing mail addresses it's 
IMHO time to simply remove them.



Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>

--- linux-2.6.10-rc1-mm5-full/MAINTAINERS.old	2004-11-14 02:57:45.000000000 +0100
+++ linux-2.6.10-rc1-mm5-full/MAINTAINERS	2004-11-14 02:57:55.000000000 +0100
@@ -528,13 +528,6 @@
 L:	pcihpd-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
 S:	Supported
 
-COMPUTONE INTELLIPORT MULTIPORT CARD
-P:	Michael H. Warfield
-M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>
-W:	http://www.wittsend.com/computone.html
-L:	linux-computone@lazuli.wittsend.com
-S:	Orphaned
-
 COSA/SRP SYNC SERIAL DRIVER
 P:	Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak
 M:	kas@fi.muni.cz
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Re: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Andrew Morton]

Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure whether it makes sense to list the previous maintainers for 
>  orphaned code, but if such entries contain buouncing mail addresses it's 
>  IMHO time to simply remove them.
> 
> ...
>  -M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>

wittsend.com is still there and Michael still runs it.

Re: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Adrian Bunk]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 07:47:35PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure whether it makes sense to list the previous maintainers for 
> >  orphaned code, but if such entries contain buouncing mail addresses it's 
> >  IMHO time to simply remove them.
> > 
> > ...
> >  -M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>
> 
> wittsend.com is still there and Michael still runs it.

At least the listed mailing list is defunct:

<linux-computone@lazuli.wittsend.com>:
Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.


And to be honest, I don't see that much value in shiping entries in 
MAINTAINERS for people who have reseigned as maintainers.


cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Jim Nelson]

Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 07:47:35PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
>>Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not sure whether it makes sense to list the previous maintainers for 
>>> orphaned code, but if such entries contain buouncing mail addresses it's 
>>> IMHO time to simply remove them.
>>>
>>>...
>>> -M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>
>>
>>wittsend.com is still there and Michael still runs it.
> 
> 
> At least the listed mailing list is defunct:
> 
> <linux-computone@lazuli.wittsend.com>:
> Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1)
> I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
> 
> 
> And to be honest, I don't see that much value in shiping entries in 
> MAINTAINERS for people who have reseigned as maintainers.
> 
> 
> cu
> Adrian
> 

If someone is willing to step up to the plate and get the driver working again, it 
would be better to have the contact information for the old maintainer available 
in a centralized location.  Plus, anyone who tries the driver and finds it busted 
can look in the MAINTAINERS file and find out that it's not being fixed, instead 
of it being one of those drivers that has no defined maintainer (I've run across a 
few).

After all, we do have to be honest about unmaintained drivers - rather than hiding 
broken code.  Honestly, it's better to define who's responsible for an area of 
code, even if it no longer works.

My $0.02.

Jim

Re: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Adrian Bunk]

On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 10:06:17AM -0500, Jim Nelson wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 07:47:35PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> >>Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm not sure whether it makes sense to list the previous maintainers for 
> >>>orphaned code, but if such entries contain buouncing mail addresses it's 
> >>>IMHO time to simply remove them.
> >>>
> >>>...
> >>>-M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>
> >>
> >>wittsend.com is still there and Michael still runs it.
> >
> >
> >At least the listed mailing list is defunct:
> >
> ><linux-computone@lazuli.wittsend.com>:
> >Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1)
> >I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.
> >
> >
> >And to be honest, I don't see that much value in shiping entries in 
> >MAINTAINERS for people who have reseigned as maintainers.
> 
> If someone is willing to step up to the plate and get the driver working 
> again, it would be better to have the contact information for the old 
> maintainer available in a centralized location.  Plus, anyone who tries the 

It's still in Documentation/computone.txt, and if someone wants to do 
seroious work on an orphaned driver, I assume he'll start with reading 
the driver and documentation.

> driver and finds it busted can look in the MAINTAINERS file and find out 
> that it's not being fixed, instead of it being one of those drivers that 
> has no defined maintainer (I've run across a few).
> 
> After all, we do have to be honest about unmaintained drivers - rather than 
> hiding broken code.  Honestly, it's better to define who's responsible for 
> an area of code, even if it no longer works.

MAINTAINERS does not cover all drivers.
It's not about being honest or about hiding broken code, but adding 
let's say fifty entries for no longer supported drivers isn't of any 
practical value.

At least I'm checking MAINTAINERS for people who want to receive the 
patches I send today, not for people who have worked on the driver at 
some time in the past. Adding information about orphaned drivers to this 
file simply makes it harder to find whether valid entries covering the 
driver in question exist.

If someone steps up and wants to generate and maintain a driver status 
document that would be fine with me. But this would require a serious 
amount of work and is more than just adding a few orphaned drivers to 
MAINTAINERS.

> My $0.02.
> 
> Jim

cu
Adrian

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       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Michael H. Warfield]

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On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 07:47:35PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure whether it makes sense to list the previous maintainers for 
> >  orphaned code, but if such entries contain buouncing mail addresses it's 
> >  IMHO time to simply remove them.
> > 
> > ...
> >  -M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>

> wittsend.com is still there and Michael still runs it.

	Yeah, I'm still here.  I've just been out of town almost one
week out of every two since June, so I'm more than a little behind on
catching up on the kernel stuff (yes and the Samba stuff as well,
I know, I know, sigh...).

	The message from James ended up in one of my spam cans (CRM-114)
and I missed it.  He only tried once.  I only found this because I
jumped onto the list archive trying to find references to system clocks
going crazy (loosing or gaining time like mad and ntp unable to keep up)
and ran across the threads...

	I've got two patches in my queue for the Computone drivers for
2.6 plus three patches that apply to both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels.  I've
got to check to see if Marcelo got around to integrating those patches
into 2.4 and then jump onto the combined patches.

	As Shrek said...  (You didn't slay the dragon?) - "It's on my
todo list".

	Mike
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 Michael H. Warfield    |  (770) 985-6132   |  mhw@WittsEnd.com
  /\/\|=mhw=|\/\/       |  (678) 463-0932   |  http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/
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Re: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Adrian Bunk]

On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 02:15:30PM -0500, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 07:47:35PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not sure whether it makes sense to list the previous maintainers for 
> > >  orphaned code, but if such entries contain buouncing mail addresses it's 
> > >  IMHO time to simply remove them.
> > > 
> > > ...
> > >  -M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>
> 
> > wittsend.com is still there and Michael still runs it.
> 
> 	Yeah, I'm still here.  I've just been out of town almost one
> week out of every two since June, so I'm more than a little behind on
> catching up on the kernel stuff (yes and the Samba stuff as well,
> I know, I know, sigh...).
>...

At least the mailing list is definitely dead:

<linux-computone@lazuli.wittsend.com>:
Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.

> 	I've got two patches in my queue for the Computone drivers for
> 2.6 plus three patches that apply to both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels.  I've
> got to check to see if Marcelo got around to integrating those patches
> into 2.4 and then jump onto the combined patches.
> 
> 	As Shrek said...  (You didn't slay the dragon?) - "It's on my
> todo list".

It seems you are still active :-) , so why is it "Orphaned"?

> 	Mike

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: [2.6 patch] remove obsolete Computone MAINTAINERS entry (fwd)

[Michael H. Warfield]

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On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 06:28:32PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> At least the mailing list is definitely dead:

	The mailing list use to be run by Louis Zamora who use to work for
Computone.  Guess I need to deal with that and move it to some of my
own hardware.  I hadn't realized it was out of commission.

> <linux-computone@lazuli.wittsend.com>:
> Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1)
> I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.

> > 	I've got two patches in my queue for the Computone drivers for
> > 2.6 plus three patches that apply to both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels.  I've
> > got to check to see if Marcelo got around to integrating those patches
> > into 2.4 and then jump onto the combined patches.

> > 	As Shrek said...  (You didn't slay the dragon?) - "It's on my
> > todo list".

> It seems you are still active :-) , so why is it "Orphaned"?

	Good question.  Probably someone jumping the gun a bit because
I haven't been very active on that driver lately.  I do tend to drop
off the radar for months at a time, depending on other projects and
engagements.  I haven't done updates to the driver in the 2.6 kernel
and, yes, it is broken.

	Marcelo integrated my 2.4 patches and I've got testers running
that code now.  I've got a 2.6 patch that integrates those fixes and
fixes some 2.6 problems.  In the course of working on the 2.6 patch
I stumbled onto another problem that had to be retrofitted back into
the 2.4 patch which, fortunately, made it into the patch I gave to
Marcelo.  I'm looking over a couple of other changes that went in with
that 2.4 update.  I'll try and get a patch out in a couple of days
against 2.6.10.

> > 	Mike

> cu
> Adrian

> -- 

>        "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
>         of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
>        "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
>                                        Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

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 Michael H. Warfield    |  (770) 985-6132   |  mhw@WittsEnd.com
  /\/\|=mhw=|\/\/       |  (678) 463-0932   |  http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/
  NIC whois:  MHW9      |  An optimist believes we live in the best of all
 PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471    |  possible worlds.  A pessimist is sure of it!

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[2.6 patch] update Computone MAINTAINERS entry

[Adrian Bunk]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 08:56:04PM -0500, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 06:28:32PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>...
> > It seems you are still active :-) , so why is it "Orphaned"?
> 
> 	Good question.  Probably someone jumping the gun a bit because
> I haven't been very active on that driver lately.  I do tend to drop
> off the radar for months at a time, depending on other projects and
> engagements.  I haven't done updates to the driver in the 2.6 kernel
> and, yes, it is broken.
>...

What about the patch below?

cu
Adrian


<--  snip  -->


Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>

--- linux-2.6.11-rc2-mm2-full/MAINTAINERS.old	2005-02-02 18:51:25.000000000 +0100
+++ linux-2.6.11-rc2-mm2-full/MAINTAINERS	2005-02-02 18:52:13.000000000 +0100
@@ -561,10 +561,9 @@
 
 COMPUTONE INTELLIPORT MULTIPORT CARD
 P:	Michael H. Warfield
-M:	Michael H. Warfield <mhw@wittsend.com>
+M:	mhw@wittsend.com
 W:	http://www.wittsend.com/computone.html
-L:	linux-computone@lazuli.wittsend.com
-S:	Orphaned
+S:	Maintained
 
 COSA/SRP SYNC SERIAL DRIVER
 P:	Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak