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From: Florian Schmidt <mista.tapas@gmx.net>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	mark_h_johnson@raytheon.com, "K.R. Foley" <kr@cybsft.com>,
	Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>, Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Michal Schmidt <xschmi00@stud.feec.vutbr.cz>,
	Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano <nando@ccrma.stanford.edu>,
	Karsten Wiese <annabellesgarden@yahoo.de>,
	Gunther Persoons <gunther_persoons@spymac.com>,
	emann@mrv.com, Shane Shrybman <shrybman@aei.ca>,
	Amit Shah <amit.shah@codito.com>,
	Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.31-19
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:43:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041201234355.0dac74cf@mango.fruits.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041201220916.GA24992@elte.hu>

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:09:16 +0100
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> but ... this brings up the question, is this a valid scenario? How can
> jackd block on clients for so long? Perhaps this means that every audio
> buffer has run empty and jackd desperately needed some new audio input,
> which it didnt get from the clients, up until after the xrun? In theory
> this should only be possible if there's CPU saturation (that's why i
> asked about how much CPU% time there was in use).
> 
> One indication that this might have been the case is that in the full
> 3.5 msecs trace there's not a single cycle spent idle. But, lots of time
> was spent by e.g. X or gkrellm-4356, which are not RT tasks - so from
> the RT task POV i think there were cycles left to be utilized. Could
> this be a client bug? That seems a bit unlikely because to let jackd
> 'run empty', each and every client would have to starve it, correct?

actually a single client doing nasty (non RT) stuff in its process()
callback can "starve" jackd. AFAIK jackd waits until the last client has
finished its process callback. So, if some client's process callback
decides to use (for example) some blocking system call (big no no) and
consequently falls asleep for a relatively long time, then it can cause
jackd to miss its deadline. I'm not sure though wether this triggers an
xrun in jackd or just a delay exceeded message.

flo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-01 22:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-26 12:12 Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.31-7 Rui Nuno Capela
2004-11-29 11:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-29 11:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-29 11:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-29 15:42     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-29 13:13   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-11-29 14:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-29 15:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-29 23:16         ` Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.31-13 Gene Heskett
2004-11-30  1:50           ` K.R. Foley
2004-11-30  3:19             ` Gene Heskett
2004-11-30  4:54             ` Gene Heskett
2004-11-30 15:26               ` K.R. Foley
2004-11-30 16:24                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-11-30 16:52                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-01  7:16                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-11-30 16:57                   ` K.R. Foley
2004-11-30 10:29         ` Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.31-7 Rui Nuno Capela
2004-11-30 13:19           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-30 15:39             ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-11-30 16:42               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 10:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 11:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 12:49                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-01 12:47                 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-01 15:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 16:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 16:20                       ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.31-19 Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 16:31                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 18:59                         ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-01 21:29                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 21:30                             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                               ` <32788.192.168.1.8.1101938057.squirrel@192.168.1.8>
2004-12-01 21:58                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 22:04                                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-01 22:09                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 22:31                                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-02  9:12                                     ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-02 12:59                                       ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-02 16:38                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2004-12-01 22:43                                   ` Florian Schmidt [this message]
2004-12-02  8:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-02 12:22                                       ` Florian Schmidt
2004-12-02 12:29                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-02 13:06                                           ` Florian Schmidt
2004-12-02 13:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-02 13:40                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2004-12-02 13:49                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-02 16:08                                                   ` Florian Schmidt
2004-12-02 17:44                                                   ` Florian Schmidt
2004-12-02 21:12                                                     ` Florian Schmidt
2004-12-02 13:18                                             ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-03  1:41                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2004-12-03  2:23                           ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2004-11-30 18:13   ` Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.31-7 Remi Colinet
2004-11-30  8:15     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01  8:30       ` Eran Mann
2004-12-01  8:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-01 18:19           ` Adam Heath
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-12-02 21:01 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.31-19 Mark_H_Johnson

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