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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Li Shaohua <shaohua.li@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: [RFC] Strange code in cpu_idle()
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:04:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041206160405.GB1271@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412060157460.1036@montezuma.fsmlabs.com>

On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Zwane Mwaikambo wrote:
> Hi,
> 	The original intent to go with synchronize_kernel and RCU 
> protection was for simplicity's sake, as the alternative implementations 
> at the time looked like major overkill. Now in defense of this method, 
> when entering the idle thread and placing the processor in a holding state 
> (hlt) and an RCU grace period is begun, the processor in the holding state 
> will be unaware of the new RCU grace period until it exits the idle loop 
> callback (pm_idle) anyway, so the rcu_read will block the other processors 
> from making RCU grace period completion as much as the processor holding 
> state. This is true of all current pm_idle callbacks on i386, x86_64 and 
> ia64 with the exception of APM (but i'll conveniently ignore that for now 
> ;). When we do take an interrupt to exit the processor holding state and 
> run through rcu_check_callbacks we will notice that we are in a hard 
> interrupt and will defer marking of the processsor as quiescent. By that 
> point we will have exited the idle thread callback therefore making it 
> safe to use synchronize_kernel to protect removal of the callback.

I am not going to claim to thoroughly understand the power-management
code, but do have an additional question.

What happens if the processor became aware of a new grace period just
before entering pm_idle?  I could imagine this code simply refusing
to power down the processor if there was a pending grace period, but
I don't see any sign of this.  I could also imagine somehow deferring
interrupts until pm_idle exits.  I don't see anything that looks like
it does this, but don't claim to be any sort of power-management
expert.

						Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2004-12-06 16:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-05  0:45 Fw: [RFC] Strange code in cpu_idle() Paul E. McKenney
2004-12-06  0:16 ` Stephen Rothwell
2004-12-06  6:46   ` Stephen Rothwell
2004-12-06 10:00     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-06  7:20   ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-06  9:38     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-06 16:04       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2004-12-06 16:47         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-06 19:22           ` Paul E. McKenney
2004-12-11 15:07             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-12  4:54               ` [PATCH] Remove RCU abuse " Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-12  5:06                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-12  5:49                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-13  6:13                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-13  6:22                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-13  6:32                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-13  7:09                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-13  6:41                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-13  7:13                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-19  2:40                     ` Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-20  0:59                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-20  1:15                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-20  1:44                           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-20  1:56                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-20  2:10                               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-20  2:30                                 ` Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-20 18:27                                 ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2004-12-20 22:57                                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-20 23:15                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-20 23:16                                       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-20 23:26                                     ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2004-12-20  2:26                               ` Nish Aravamudan

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