From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: fix Scheduling while atomic warning when resuming.
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:14:17 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200412220814.17414.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41C905C0.9000705@pobox.com>
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 9:27 pm, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > There's no guarantee that suspend() and resume() methods
> > are only called during system-wide suspend and resume.
>
> That is precisely the reason why I am concerned. If it was only during
> system-wide resume, the impact of the very-long mdelay() would be more
> difficult to notice.
>
> You also ignored my question :)
I didn't ignore it; I answered it with a question! If you had
answered mine, you'd have had the answer to yours ... :)
One way another task can be active during resume is with sysfs:
"echo -n 0 > /sys/devices/.../power/state", after similar selective
suspend of the device. That's uncommon for now, primarily useful
for unit-testing driver suspend/resume. Plus, its design is
currently borked; the pm core code doesn't bother to suspend
children of the device first. But I do expect that selective
suspend/resume should work in Linux; it's not reasonable to design
the pm framework otherwise.
But in any case, while it'd be difficult to notice that mdelay()
in current systems (since selective suspend/resume is still rare)
it'd clearly be wrong to assume that resume() methods don't need
to have mutual exclusion during their critical sections.
> If the PCI layer is calling the resume method for a PCI device while
> simultaneously calling the suspend method, that's a PCI layer problem.
I never suggested such a scenario. Though that would be another
case where such critical sections matter, like the remove() method.
> Similarly, If the USB layer is calling into your driver while you are
> resuming, something is broken and it ain't your locking.
Which gets back to the question I asked you: if not the lock in
question, what's ensuring that everything behaves right?
As I said originally, I don't much like long udelays, but
at least it's clearly correct in terms of mutual exclusion.
You've not shown any solution that's equivalently correct.
- Dave
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Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2004-12-22 3:48 ` [PATCH] USB: fix Scheduling while atomic warning when resuming Jeff Garzik
2004-12-22 4:22 ` David Brownell
2004-12-22 4:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-22 4:59 ` David Brownell
2004-12-22 5:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-12-22 11:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-12-22 16:16 ` David Brownell
2004-12-22 16:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-12-22 16:14 ` David Brownell [this message]
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