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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:06:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050105180651.GD4597@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050105020859.3192a298.akpm@osdl.org>

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 02:08:59AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Still untested, but posting the concept here anyway, since this
> >  could explain a lot...
> > 
> >  OOM kills have been observed with 70% of the pages in lowmem being
> >  in the writeback state.  If we count those pages in sc->nr_scanned,
> >  the VM should throttle and wait for IO completion, instead of OOM
> >  killing.
> > 
> >  Signed-off-by: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
> > 
> >  --- linux-2.6.9/mm/vmscan.c.screclaim	2005-01-03 12:17:56.547148905 -0500
> >  +++ linux-2.6.9/mm/vmscan.c	2005-01-03 12:18:16.855965416 -0500
> >  @@ -376,10 +376,10 @@
> > 
> >    		BUG_ON(PageActive(page));
> > 
> >  +		sc->nr_scanned++;
> >    		if (PageWriteback(page))
> >    			goto keep_locked;
> > 
> >  -		sc->nr_scanned++;
> 
> Patch looks very sane.  It in fact restores that which we were doing until
> 12 June 2004, when the rampant `struct scan_control' depredations violated
> the tree.

Agreed.

Another unrelated problem I have in this same area and that can explain
VM troubles at least theoretically, is that blk_congestion_wait is
broken by design. First we cannot wait on random I/O not related to
write back. Second blk_congestion_wait gets trivially fooled by
direct-io for example. Plus the timeout may cause it to return too early
with slow blkdev.

blk_congestion_wait is a fundamental piece to get oom detection right
during writeback and unfortunately it's fundamentally fragile in 2.6
(this as usual wasn't the case in 2.4).

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-05 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-03 17:25 [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 10:08 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 18:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2005-01-05 18:50     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 17:49       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 21:44         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 20:32           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 23:51             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:27               ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  1:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  1:40                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:52                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  1:36                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  3:42                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  3:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:35                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:55                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:03                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  8:06                               ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:16                                 ` memory barrier in ll_rw_blk.c (was Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned) Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  8:32                                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:53                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06 12:00                                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  4:59                             ` [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:05                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:17                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:19                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:25                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:36                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:44                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:37                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06 13:28                                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  5:32                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:46                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  6:16                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:21                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-05 23:26 ` Andrew Morton

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