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From: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com, greg@kroah.com, chrisw@osdl.org,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: thoughts on kernel security issues
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:35:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050113033542.GC1212@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050112182838.2aa7eec2.akpm@osdl.org>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 06:28:38PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
 
 > IMO, local DoS holes are important mainly because buggy userspace
 > applications allow remote users to get in and exploit them, and for that
 > reason we of course need to fix them up.  Even though such an attacker
 > could cripple the machine without exploiting such a hole.
 > 
 > For the above reasons I see no need to delay publication of local DoS holes
 > at all.  The only thing for which we need to provide special processing is
 > privilege escalation bugs.
 > 
 > Or am I missing something?

The problem is it depends on who you are, and what you're doing with Linux
how much these things affect you.

A local DoS doesn't both me one squat personally, as I'm the only
user of computers I use each day. An admin of a shell server or
the like however would likely see this in a different light.
(though it can be argued a mallet to the kneecaps of the user
 responsible is more effective than any software update)

An information leak from kernel space may be equally as mundane to some,
though terrifying to some admins. Would you want some process to be
leaking your root password, credit card #, etc to some other users process ?

priveledge escalation is clearly the number one threat. Whilst some
class 'remote root hole' higher risk than 'local root hole', far
too often, we've had instances where execution of shellcode by
overflowing some buffer in $crappyapp has led to a shell
turning a local root into a remote root.

For us thankfully, exec-shield has trapped quite a few remotely
exploitable holes, preventing the above.

		Dave


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-13  3:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-12 17:48 thoughts on kernel security issues Chris Wright
2005-01-12 15:06 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 18:49   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:44   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 19:21       ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:59       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-12 21:27       ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 18:51   ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 16:12       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 20:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 17:42           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:22               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 21:20                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:52               ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 19:42               ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:19                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:44                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-14 10:22                     ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-01-14 12:10                       ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-14 14:52                         ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-14 15:12                           ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-15  0:33                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-14 13:55                       ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:50                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 20:29                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:41                     ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:57                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:15                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 22:41                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:41                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:02                       ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 21:30                         ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 21:48                           ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 22:06                             ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 22:21                               ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 23:30                               ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-15  0:34                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15  2:56                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-01-13 20:03                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 20:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 19:27                     ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 21:03                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:25                         ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 22:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 23:15                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 18:34                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 19:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 22:13                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 22:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15  0:34                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15  4:19                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15  5:36                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-18 22:27                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-19  2:34                               ` Alban Browaeys
2005-01-19 19:13                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13 20:32                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-12 20:27           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:57             ` Greg KH
2005-01-13 15:36               ` Alan Cox
2005-01-12 21:20             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-12 20:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:03             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13  3:18             ` Christian
2005-01-12 20:53           ` Dave Jones
2005-01-12 20:59             ` Greg KH
2005-01-13  2:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  2:28               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  2:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  3:05                   ` David Blomberg
2005-01-13  2:56                 ` Greg KH
2005-01-13  3:01                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  3:35                 ` Dave Jones [this message]
2005-01-13  3:42                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  3:54                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  4:49                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  6:54                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  7:19                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  7:25                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13  4:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  5:51                     ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13  7:28                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13  7:42                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13  8:02                         ` David Lang
2005-01-13 10:05                           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13  8:23                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 16:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 16:12                         ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:33                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:49                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 18:53                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 18:59                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:22                               ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-13 19:35                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 19:57                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-14 12:39                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-14 15:45                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 15:52                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-14 15:57                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-14 16:17                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-15  0:33                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:01                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 17:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:45                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 18:31                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 10:30                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 17:20                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:47                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 18:35                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 18:55                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 19:46                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:53                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20  8:46                                           ` [Lists-linux-kernel-news] " Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20  8:35                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 10:44                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 18:16                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 18:53                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-20 18:55                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20 19:17                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 19:22                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-20 21:24                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:52                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 18:50                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:47                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 19:53                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 20:44                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:12                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 20:42                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 21:03                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 22:02                                               ` Splitting up grsecurity and PAX (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:47                                           ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-25 15:05                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 15:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 17:27                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 18:01                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:30                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 18:37                                                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:57                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-01-25 19:56                                                       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:25                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:29                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:46                                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:53                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-25 20:59                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:05                                                         ` linux-os
2005-01-25 21:20                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 15:15                                                           ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-26 16:09                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:15                                                               ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:28                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:38                                                                   ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:53                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-30 15:39                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-26 19:24                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:56                                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 16:37                                                               ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 17:18                                                                 ` Zan Lynx
2005-01-27 22:18                                                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 23:20                                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 23:36                                                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-28  0:23                                                                       ` linux-os
2005-01-28  0:15                                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-01-26  0:01                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-26  0:40                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 19:05                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 20:03                                                       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:17                                                         ` Al Viro
2005-01-26 16:06                                                         ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 19:31                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:50                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-26 20:02                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:26                                                             ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 20:39                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:49                                                                 ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-25 18:08                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 21:57                             ` Russell King
2005-01-19 12:56                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 20:02                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13  4:49                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  5:19                     ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 15:36                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13  3:25               ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13  3:53                 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13  5:38                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13  8:59                     ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 15:31                       ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13 15:36                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25                     ` thoughts on kernel security issuesiig Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 15:36                   ` thoughts on kernel security issues Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 19:33                       ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:35                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 18:55                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:59                           ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:36                     ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13  8:23               ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 16:00               ` Kristofer T. Karas
2005-01-13  3:37         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-12 19:18       ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:38         ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:41         ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 23:10           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:43 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 22:46   ` Chris Wright
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-12 20:49 Hubert Tonneau
2005-01-13 17:29 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-27 12:38 linux

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