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From: Marek Habersack <grendel@caudium.net>
To: "Barry K. Nathan" <barryn@pobox.com>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: thoughts on kernel security issuesiig
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:25:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050113192551.GA24970@beowulf.thanes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050113053807.GE4378@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net>

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On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:38:07PM -0800, Barry K. Nathan scribbled:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:53:31AM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > archived mail message or a webpage with the patch. Hoping he'll find the
> > fixes in the vendor kernels, he goes to download source packages from SuSe,
> > RedHat or Trustix, Debian, Ubuntu, whatever and discovers that it is as easy
> > to find the patch there as it is to fish it out of the vanilla kernel patch
> > for the new version. Frustrating, isn't it? Not to mention that he might
> 
> http://linux.bkbits.net is your friend.
I know about that, but many people don't.
 
> Each patch (including security fixes) in the mainline kernels (2.4 and
> 2.6) appears there as an individual, clickable link with a description
> (e.g. "1.1551  Paul Starzetz: sys_uselib() race vulnerability
> (CAN-2004-1235)").
> 
> If other patches have gone in since then, you may have to scroll through
> a (short-form) changelog. However, it's still less frustrating than the
> scenario you portray.
Less frustrating, yes, safer, not even slightly. You are still left on the
thin ice precisely the moment you are notified about the vulnerability (when
it goes public). Those not being members of vendor-sec still don't have the
privilege to know about the vulnerability ahead of time, before it goes
"officially" public. Besides, I know a few people who administer linux
machines who don't know what bkbits.net is, and they don't have to. There
should be a single place, a webpage which you can visit (or get an rss feed
of) and be sure you will be among the first to know about a vulnerability
(yes, I know about the CIA feeds, but this is still not the real thing,
IMHO).

regards,

marek

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-13 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 209+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-12 17:48 thoughts on kernel security issues Chris Wright
2005-01-12 15:06 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 18:49   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:44   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 19:21       ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:59       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-12 21:27       ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 18:51   ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 16:12       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 20:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 17:42           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:22               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 21:20                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:52               ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 19:42               ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:19                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:44                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-14 10:22                     ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-01-14 12:10                       ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-14 14:52                         ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-14 15:12                           ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-15  0:33                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-14 13:55                       ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:50                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 20:29                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:41                     ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:57                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:15                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 22:41                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:41                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:02                       ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 21:30                         ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 21:48                           ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 22:06                             ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 22:21                               ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 23:30                               ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-15  0:34                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15  2:56                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-01-13 20:03                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 20:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 19:27                     ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 21:03                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:25                         ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 22:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 23:15                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 18:34                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 19:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 22:13                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 22:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15  0:34                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15  4:19                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15  5:36                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-18 22:27                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-19  2:34                               ` Alban Browaeys
2005-01-19 19:13                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13 20:32                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-12 20:27           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:57             ` Greg KH
2005-01-13 15:36               ` Alan Cox
2005-01-12 21:20             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-12 20:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:03             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13  3:18             ` Christian
2005-01-12 20:53           ` Dave Jones
2005-01-12 20:59             ` Greg KH
2005-01-13  2:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  2:28               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  2:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  3:05                   ` David Blomberg
2005-01-13  2:56                 ` Greg KH
2005-01-13  3:01                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  3:35                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13  3:42                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  3:54                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  4:49                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  6:54                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  7:19                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  7:25                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13  4:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  5:51                     ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13  7:28                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13  7:42                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13  8:02                         ` David Lang
2005-01-13 10:05                           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13  8:23                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 16:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 16:12                         ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:33                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:49                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 18:53                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 18:59                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:22                               ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-13 19:35                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 19:57                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-14 12:39                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-14 15:45                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 15:52                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-14 15:57                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-14 16:17                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-15  0:33                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:01                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 17:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:45                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 18:31                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 10:30                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 17:20                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:47                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 18:35                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 18:55                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 19:46                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:53                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20  8:46                                           ` [Lists-linux-kernel-news] " Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20  8:35                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 10:44                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 18:16                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 18:53                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-20 18:55                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20 19:17                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 19:22                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-20 21:24                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:52                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 18:50                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:47                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 19:53                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 20:44                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:12                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 20:42                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 21:03                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 22:02                                               ` Splitting up grsecurity and PAX (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:47                                           ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-25 15:05                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 15:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 17:27                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 18:01                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:30                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 18:37                                                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:57                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-01-25 19:56                                                       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:25                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:29                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:46                                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:53                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-25 20:59                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:05                                                         ` linux-os
2005-01-25 21:20                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 15:15                                                           ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-26 16:09                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:15                                                               ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:28                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:38                                                                   ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:53                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-30 15:39                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-26 19:24                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:56                                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 16:37                                                               ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 17:18                                                                 ` Zan Lynx
2005-01-27 22:18                                                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 23:20                                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 23:36                                                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-28  0:23                                                                       ` linux-os
2005-01-28  0:15                                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-01-26  0:01                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-26  0:40                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 19:05                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 20:03                                                       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:17                                                         ` Al Viro
2005-01-26 16:06                                                         ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 19:31                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:50                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-26 20:02                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:26                                                             ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 20:39                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:49                                                                 ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-25 18:08                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 21:57                             ` Russell King
2005-01-19 12:56                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 20:02                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13  4:49                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  5:19                     ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 15:36                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13  3:25               ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13  3:53                 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13  5:38                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13  8:59                     ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 15:31                       ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13 15:36                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25                     ` Marek Habersack [this message]
2005-01-13 15:36                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 19:33                       ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:35                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 18:55                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:59                           ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:36                     ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13  8:23               ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 16:00               ` Kristofer T. Karas
2005-01-13  3:37         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-12 19:18       ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:38         ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:41         ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 23:10           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:43 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 22:46   ` Chris Wright

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