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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: short read from /dev/urandom
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:58:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050116045843.GH3823@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41E9E65F.1030100@redhat.com>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:58:23PM -0800, Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Matt Mackall wrote:
> >_Neither_ case mentions signals and the "and will return as many bytes
> >as requested" is clearly just a restatement of "does not have this
> >limit". Whoever copied this comment to the manpage was a bit sloppy
> >and dropped the first clause rather than the second:
> 
> It still means the documented API says there are no short reads.

I maintain that it's ambiguous. And read(2) makes it clear that short
reads can happen any time, any where. Further, your interpretation
makes for a nonsensical API as it implies being uninterruptible for
arbitrary lengths of time. 

Changing the longstanding, sensible code to match a silly and highly
non-standard interpretation of the documentation doesn't fix the
problem in apps either. Presumably they'll still be running on kernels
older than 2.6.11 and I believe most *BSDs have /dev/urandom as well.

> >So anyone doing a read() can expect a short read regardless of the fd
> >and is quite clear that reads can be interrupted by signals. "It is
> >not an error". Ever.
> 
> Of course are signal interruptions wrong if the signal uses SA_RESTART.

That's a separate problem. I'll take a look at fixing that.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-16  4:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-14  4:54 short read from /dev/urandom Ulrich Drepper
2005-01-14  5:56 ` David Wagner
2005-01-14  6:54   ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-01-14 19:55     ` David Wagner
2005-01-14 19:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 21:04   ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-01-14 23:21     ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-15  2:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-01-16  2:51         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-16  3:18           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-01-15  2:34     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-01-19 15:48     ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-16  2:44 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-16  3:58   ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-01-16  4:58     ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2005-01-16 13:23     ` Andries Brouwer

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