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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@cpushare.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: seccomp for 2.6.11-rc1-bk8
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:32:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050122103242.GC9357@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050121203425.GB11112@dualathlon.random>

Hi!

> > > > Yes, but do you care about the performance of syscalls
> > > > which the program isn't allowed to call at all ? ;)
> > > 
> > > Heh, no, but it's for every syscall not just denied ones.  Point is
> > > simply that ptrace (complexity aside) doesn't scale the same.
> > 
> > seccomp is about CPU-intense calculation jobs - the only syscalls
> > allowed are read/write (and sigreturn). UML implements a full kernel
> > via ptrace and CPU-intense applications run at native speed.
> 
> Indeed. Performance is not an issue (in the short term at least, since
> those syscalls will be probably network bound).
> 
> The only reason I couldn't use ptrace is what you found, that is the oom
> killing of the parent (or a mistake of the CPU seller that kills it by
> mistake by hand, I must prevent him to screw himself ;). Even after
> fixing ptrace, I've an hard time to prefer ptrace, when a simple,
> localized and self contained solution like seccomp is available.

Well, seccomp is also getting very little testing, when ptrace gets a
lot of testing; I know that seccomp is simple, but I believe testing
coverage still make ptrace better choice.
								Pavel
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-22 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-21 10:06 seccomp for 2.6.11-rc1-bk8 Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-21 12:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-21 12:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-21 12:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-21 21:31       ` Roland McGrath
2005-01-22  3:25         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-21 20:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-21 17:39   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-21 18:39     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-21 18:50       ` Chris Wright
2005-01-21 19:55         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-21 20:34           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-21 20:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22  2:51               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-22 10:32             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2005-01-22 17:25               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-22 19:42                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-22 23:34                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-23  0:07                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-23  0:46                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-23  0:43                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-23  0:52                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-23  4:43                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-23  6:11                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-21 18:59     ` David Wagner
2005-01-21 19:17       ` Chris Wright
2005-01-23  7:34         ` David Wagner
2005-01-24 15:10           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-02-15  9:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-25 19:01             ` David Wagner
2005-01-21 12:11 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-15  9:32 ` seccomp for 2.6.11-rc4 Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-16  5:25   ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-02-18  2:25     ` Andrea Arcangeli

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