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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	pwil3058@bigpond.net.au, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch, 2.6.10-rc2] sched: fix ->nr_uninterruptible handling bugs
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:28:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050128042815.GA29751@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050127165330.6f388054.pj@sgi.com>


* Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> wrote:

> A long time ago, Linus wrote:
> > An atomic op is pretty much as expensive as a spinlock/unlock pair on x86.  
> > Not _quite_, but it's pretty close.
> 
> Are both read and modify atomic ops relatively expensive on some CPUs,
> or is it just modify atomic ops?
> 
> (Ignoring for this question the possibility that a mix of read and
> modify ops could heat up a cache line on multiprocessor systems, and
> focusing for the moment just on the CPU internals ...)

if by 'some CPUs' you mean x86 then it's the LOCK prefixed ops that are
expensive. I.e. all the LOCK-prefixed RMW variants of instructions:

 atomic.h:               LOCK "addl %1,%0"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "subl %1,%0"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "subl %2,%0; sete %1"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "incl %0"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "decl %0"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "decl %0; sete %1"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "incl %0; sete %1"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "addl %2,%0; sets %1"
 atomic.h:               LOCK "xaddl %0, %1;"
 atomic.h:__asm__ __volatile__(LOCK "andl %0,%1" \
 atomic.h:__asm__ __volatile__(LOCK "orl %0,%1" \

pure reads/writes are architecturally guaranteed to be atomic (so
atomic.h uses them, not some fancy instruction) and they are (/better
be) fast.

interestingly, the x86 spinlock implementation uses a LOCK-ed
instruction only on acquire - it uses a simple atomic write (and
implicit barrier assumption) on the way out:

 #define spin_unlock_string \
         "movb $1,%0" \
                 :"=m" (lock->slock) : : "memory"

no LOCK prefix. Due to this spinlocks can sometimes be _cheaper_ than
doing the same via atomic inc/dec.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-28  4:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-16 11:32 [patch, 2.6.10-rc2] sched: fix ->nr_uninterruptible handling bugs Ingo Molnar
2004-11-16 22:19 ` Peter Williams
2004-11-16 23:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-16 23:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-17 10:26       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-17 15:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 16:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  0:53       ` Paul Jackson
2005-01-28  1:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-28  2:14           ` Paul Jackson
2005-01-28  4:28         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-01-28  5:18           ` Paul Jackson
2005-01-28  6:01           ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-16 23:48     ` Peter Williams
2004-11-16 22:49 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-16 23:03   ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-16 23:32   ` Peter Williams
2004-11-16 23:37     ` Nick Piggin

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