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From: lm@bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
To: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>, Stelian Pop <stelian@popies.net>,
	Francois Romieu <romieu@fr.zoreil.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Linux Kernel Subversion Howto
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:00:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050211200041.GB24759@bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <orbrar57vp.fsf@livre.redhat.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>

On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 03:22:34PM -0200, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On Feb 11, 2005, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > It's not Larry choosing not to have you do the work, you are self
> > selecting not to do it because you won't sign the contracts.
> 
> No.  We don't want access to the BK software.  We want access to the
> data that is stored in the repository, that's all.

No, you want access to the metadata that BK uses to store the data.

It would be nice if you were to stop pretending that access to that data
wouldn't teach you anything, we all know that not to be true.  All the
claims you make that it is your data are as wrong as saying you own the
file system metadata when you store a file or the database metadata when
you store a record.  You don't.  You just want it.  It's not a smart
move for us to give it to you since you have stated that the only good
use of a commercial product is to create an open source copy of it.
It's pretty clear what you want to do and you keep asking for us to help
you and the answer now, and forever, is no, we aren't going to help you
create a copy of our product.

You or Roman or whoever will say "we aren't trying to create a copy of
your product" and that's nonsense.  You want a product that stores the
data in exactly the same way as BK, that's why you keep asking for the
metadata.  If you wanted to create your own system you wouldn't care,
you already have the CVS tree, it has 96% of the deltas that the BK
tree has.  96%.  So you are trying to tell us all that you need the
last 4% of the deltas so you can create a *different* system than BK?
Come on, gimme a break already, you aren't fooling anyone.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy                lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitkeeper.com

  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-11 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-02 15:54 [RFC] Linux Kernel Subversion Howto Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 16:15 ` Lethalman
2005-02-02 16:37   ` Lethalman
2005-02-03 10:34   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 21:47 ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-03 10:45   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:04     ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-04 20:52     ` Olaf Dietsche
2005-02-09  5:19       ` Kevin Puetz
2005-02-09  8:58         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09 13:44           ` David Roundy
2005-02-03  0:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 10:24   ` Stelian Pop
     [not found] ` <200502030028.j130SNU9004640@terminus.zytor.com>
2005-02-03  3:34   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 16:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 19:32     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 20:20       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 22:00         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 22:28           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 13:01             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 16:06               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 16:22                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-02-04 21:53                   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 17:03                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 18:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 20:05                     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:11                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 21:40                         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 23:31                           ` Francois Romieu
2005-02-05 19:38                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-05 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:43                                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-08 15:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 17:17                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 18:16                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 18:52                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  0:07                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-09  2:05                                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:24                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:35                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:39                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09  2:47                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:40                                                       ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091128070.7836@localhost.localdomain>
2005-02-09 17:38                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 18:24                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 18:48                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:31                                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09 23:52                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:22                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:13                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10 19:34                                                           ` d.c
2005-02-11  8:40                                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-09  2:40                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:57                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:03                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  5:48                                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-02-09  9:05                                                         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09  7:06                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-09 14:48                                       ` d.c
2005-02-09 15:51                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 17:30                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 17:44                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-10  5:44                                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-10  9:36                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10 21:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11  9:02                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-11 15:30                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 15:48                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:18                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:54                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 16:13                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-11 17:22                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 20:00                                                   ` Larry McVoy [this message]
     [not found]                                           ` <20050210222403.GA5920@thunk.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <or650z6syt.fsf@livre.redhat.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
2005-02-11 15:53                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 17:24                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10  5:47                                     ` James Bruce
2005-02-06 16:40                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-06 17:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  1:45                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-07  2:10                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 14:57                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 15:19                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:24                           ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-08 15:47                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:36                           ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-08 15:58                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-08 16:15                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:17                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-08 17:23                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:01                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  2:16                       ` Al Viro
2005-02-04 10:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 10:59   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 11:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 11:20       ` Stelian Pop
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-09 18:46 Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 20:13 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 23:53   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  0:14     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:50       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  9:52         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10 10:11           ` linux
2005-02-10  6:08       ` James Bruce
2005-02-10 15:14         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-10 16:42 Steve Lee
2005-02-10 19:23 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-10 19:50   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-11 18:56 none given
2005-02-11 19:50 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.hd724f5.h36q2j@ifi.uio.no>
2011-08-18 19:08 ` lucasrangit
2011-08-18 19:22   ` Randy Dunlap

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