From: lm@bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
To: linux-os <linux-os@analogic.com>
Cc: Jeff Sipek <jeffpc@optonline.net>,
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:12:19 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050214171219.GA8846@bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502141113200.4019@chaos.analogic.com>
> >So how would you suggest that we resolve it? The protection we need is
> >that people don't get to
> >
> > - use BK
> > - stop using BK so they can go work on another system
> > - start using BK again
> > - stop using BK so they can go work on another system
>
> What??? Why not? BK is a PROGRAM. You can't tell somebody
> that once they use some program in one job, they can't
> use it again. What kind of "protection" are you claiming?
It is a program that comes with a license. Licenses have terms which
survive the termination of the license, that's industry standard, they
all have such terms.
In this case the situation is unusual because we have a program that is
ahead, in some ways, of all the other programs out there that do the
same thing. We'd like to protect that lead. We put that lead at risk
by giving you BK for free, that's more or less suicide because the open
source world has a long track record of copying that which they find
useful. We don't want you to copy it. If you can't agree to not copy
it then you don't get to use it in the first place.
This is not that weird people, people sign NDA's which are far more
draconian every day. Read any software license, they all have the
non-compete as well, they hide it in the reverse engineering restriction.
Those licenses don't care if you are competing with them or not, they
do a blanket do-not-reverse-engineer no matter who you are. We tried
to be specific so that we were restricting the tiny subset of the world
that wants to hack SCM, not everyone else. Because that's different
than standard language we get screamed at. What you aren't figuring
out is that the standard language is more restrictive, not less.
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-14 17:12 UTC|newest]
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2005-02-14 2:08 [BK] upgrade will be needed Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 6:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 6:17 ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-14 9:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-14 12:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-02-14 15:08 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 15:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 16:21 ` linux-os
2005-02-14 17:12 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2005-02-16 23:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 20:33 ` David Weinehall
2005-02-17 21:31 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-14 17:14 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 17:23 ` Russell Miller
2005-02-14 17:49 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 18:33 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:47 ` Steven Rostedt
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2005-02-15 1:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 3:01 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 14:05 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-14 19:29 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 21:13 ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-14 18:17 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 18:36 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:45 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 20:02 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 5:13 ` Scott Lockwood
2005-02-14 18:56 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 20:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-14 21:25 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:02 ` Henrik Persson
2005-02-14 21:30 ` Tom Felker
2005-02-15 9:04 ` James Bruce
2005-02-16 17:31 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 23:24 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 3:35 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-15 5:23 ` Hua Zhong
2005-02-15 12:19 ` kernel
2005-02-15 12:45 ` linux-os
2005-02-15 13:39 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-16 9:45 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 10:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-16 13:40 ` Schwaighofer Clemens
2005-02-16 15:39 ` d.c
2005-02-17 0:14 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 15:43 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-16 17:01 ` Sean
2005-02-17 0:11 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 4:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 5:57 ` Sean
2005-02-17 6:22 ` d.c
2005-02-17 6:49 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:34 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 16:40 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-17 16:58 ` Sean
2005-02-17 20:52 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 21:24 ` Sean
2005-02-18 1:42 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 7:52 ` Sean
2005-02-18 16:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 18:34 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:31 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:46 ` John Stoffel
2005-02-18 19:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:57 ` Sean
2005-02-19 0:59 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 20:45 ` d.c
2005-02-18 21:13 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-18 21:34 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-18 22:18 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-18 22:35 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-19 7:53 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-23 19:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-21 5:43 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 6:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-21 7:00 ` N/A Christof Dorner
2005-02-21 15:40 ` [BK] upgrade will be needed Kevin P. Fleming
2005-02-17 23:25 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-17 23:32 ` Sean
2005-02-17 23:54 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 23:56 ` Sean
2005-02-18 4:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 4:03 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 7:26 ` Sean
2005-02-18 12:31 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-18 0:29 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 2:31 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 7:55 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 8:09 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 9:27 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 10:27 ` Sean
2005-02-18 0:32 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-14 18:54 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-14 20:13 ` Matthew Dharm
2005-02-14 20:17 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 17:26 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-15 2:46 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-15 13:24 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-14 19:44 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-14 20:05 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 22:24 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-14 22:57 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 23:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 0:03 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 1:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 16:34 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-14 23:29 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-15 13:55 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 16:57 ` Alan Cox
2005-02-17 0:00 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 1:41 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-17 9:46 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-17 12:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 14:07 ` Citizen Number 24655
2005-02-17 15:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 16:27 ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-18 8:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-15 2:13 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 2:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:04 ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-15 12:41 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 13:56 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 14:55 ` Anton Ertl
2005-02-14 13:13 ` Mws
2005-02-14 15:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-14 16:00 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 17:21 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 12:13 ` kernel
2005-02-16 23:46 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-18 8:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 2:05 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-18 2:24 ` [darcs-users] " Tupshin Harper
2005-02-18 2:33 ` Sean
2005-02-18 9:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 10:58 ` Tomasz Zielonka
2005-02-18 11:53 ` Erik Bågfors
2005-02-18 12:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 9:10 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-19 10:17 ` Sean
2005-02-19 16:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 17:15 ` David Roundy
2005-02-19 17:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 12:41 ` David Roundy
2005-02-21 18:33 ` David Brown
2005-02-21 13:48 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-20 10:36 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-18 17:50 ` Dustin Sallings
2005-02-21 5:39 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 15:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 19:45 ` zander
2005-02-21 20:27 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 17:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
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2005-02-14 21:08 Martin Fouts
2005-02-14 21:20 Martin Fouts
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