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From: lm@bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
To: Matthew Jacob <lydianconcepts@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff Sipek <jeffpc@optonline.net>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:56:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050214185624.GA16029@bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7579f7fb0502141017f5738d1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 10:17:35AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> > So how would you suggest that we resolve it?  The protection we need is
> > that people don't get to
> > 
> >    - use BK
> >    - stop using BK so they can go work on another system
> >    - start using BK again
> >    - stop using BK so they can go work on another system
> >    ...
> > 
> 
> I guess I don't see the advantage that accrues to BitMover Inc from
> this or what you're trying to do here. I'm not trying to add kerosene
> to a flame fest here, but I'm definitely scratching my head on this
> one.
> 
> Is your concern that you don't want to provide a free tool to people
> who then turn around to compete with you? That is, you don't want BK
> to enable people to do things to harm BK and its ongoing development?

All we are trying to do is 

    1.  Provide the open source community with a useful tool.
    2.  Prevent that from turning into the open source community
        creating a clone of our tool.

The reason this is complicated is that we are giving it away for free to
lots and lots of open source people.  If we only sold it there wouldn't
be a problem, it would be 10 years before a copy appeared because far
fewer of the open source crowd would even know it existed.  Giving it
away is almost asking for it to be copied.  The license is a way to say
that the price of free use is agreement you won't use the tool to copy
the tool in any way.

I agree that this sucks, having a license that restricts your creativity
is very annoying.  On the other hand, you don't have to agree to it.
You only have to agree to it if you want the benefits of using the tool.
It's not much different than deciding whether you want to buy it, there
is a cost and a benefit and for some people the benefits outweigh the
costs and for some they don't.

If anyone can think of a better way for us to both let you use the tool
and protect our hard work, I'm listening.  The repeated outrage over the
restrictions isn't any more fun for me than it is for you.  Any answer,
however, has to take our issues into consideration as well as yours.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy                lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitkeeper.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-14 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-14  2:08 [BK] upgrade will be needed Larry McVoy
2005-02-14  6:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14  6:17   ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-14  9:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-14 12:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-02-14 15:08   ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 15:40     ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 16:21       ` linux-os
2005-02-14 17:12         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-16 23:55           ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 20:33           ` David Weinehall
2005-02-17 21:31             ` Chris Wright
2005-02-14 17:14       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 17:23         ` Russell Miller
2005-02-14 17:49           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 18:33             ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:47             ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]               ` <20050214190137.GB16029@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                 ` <1108415541.8413.48.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                   ` <20050214231148.GP13174@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                     ` <1108425420.8413.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                       ` <20050215000028.GS13174@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                         ` <1108426451.8413.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                           ` <20050215003535.GB32158@bitmover.com>
2005-02-15  1:00                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15  3:01                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  3:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 14:05                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-14 19:29             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 21:13               ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-14 18:17       ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 18:36         ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:45           ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 20:02           ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15  5:13           ` Scott Lockwood
2005-02-14 18:56         ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2005-02-14 20:36           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-14 21:25             ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:02               ` Henrik Persson
2005-02-14 21:30           ` Tom Felker
2005-02-15  9:04             ` James Bruce
2005-02-16 17:31             ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 23:24           ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15  3:35             ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-15  5:23               ` Hua Zhong
2005-02-15 12:19           ` kernel
2005-02-15 12:45             ` linux-os
2005-02-15 13:39               ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-16  9:45             ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 10:21               ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-16 13:40                 ` Schwaighofer Clemens
2005-02-16 15:39               ` d.c
2005-02-17  0:14                 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 15:43               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-16 17:01                 ` Sean
2005-02-17  0:11                 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17  4:57                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17  5:57                     ` Sean
2005-02-17  6:22                       ` d.c
2005-02-17  6:49                         ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:34                           ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 16:40                             ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:55                               ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-17 16:58                                 ` Sean
2005-02-17 20:52                                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 21:24                                     ` Sean
2005-02-18  1:42                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18  7:52                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18 16:27                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 18:34                                             ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:26                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:31                                                 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:46                                                   ` John Stoffel
2005-02-18 19:49                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:57                                                     ` Sean
2005-02-19  0:59                                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 20:45                                               ` d.c
2005-02-18 21:13                                                 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-18 21:34                                                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-18 22:18                                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-18 22:35                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-19  7:53                                                         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-23 19:15                                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-21  5:43                                             ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21  6:56                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-21  7:00                                                 ` N/A Christof Dorner
2005-02-21 15:40                                                 ` [BK] upgrade will be needed Kevin P. Fleming
2005-02-17 23:25                                   ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-17 23:32                                     ` Sean
2005-02-17 23:54                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 23:56                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18  4:00                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18  4:03                                         ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18  7:26                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18 12:31                                           ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-18  0:29                     ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18  2:31                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17  7:55                   ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17  8:09                     ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17  9:27                       ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 10:27                         ` Sean
2005-02-18  0:32                           ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-14 18:54       ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-14 20:13         ` Matthew Dharm
2005-02-14 20:17         ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 17:26           ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-15  2:46         ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-15 13:24           ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-14 19:44       ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-14 20:05         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 22:24           ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-14 22:57             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 23:23               ` David Lang
2005-02-15  0:03                 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  1:23                   ` David Lang
2005-02-15 16:34                   ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-14 23:29               ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-15 13:55                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 16:57                   ` Alan Cox
2005-02-17  0:00                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17  1:41                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-17  9:46                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-17 12:36                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 14:07                         ` Citizen Number 24655
2005-02-17 15:05                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 16:27                       ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-18  8:32           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-15  2:13       ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15  2:40         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  3:04           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-15 12:41           ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 13:56           ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 14:55             ` Anton Ertl
2005-02-14 13:13 ` Mws
2005-02-14 15:03   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-14 16:00     ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 17:21       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 12:13       ` kernel
2005-02-16 23:46       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-18  8:56     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18  2:05 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-18  2:24   ` [darcs-users] " Tupshin Harper
2005-02-18  2:33     ` Sean
2005-02-18  9:09     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 10:58       ` Tomasz Zielonka
2005-02-18 11:53       ` Erik Bågfors
2005-02-18 12:50         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19  9:10           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-19 10:17             ` Sean
2005-02-19 16:42             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 17:15               ` David Roundy
2005-02-19 17:53                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 12:41                   ` David Roundy
2005-02-21 18:33                     ` David Brown
2005-02-21 13:48                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-20 10:36                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-18 17:50       ` Dustin Sallings
2005-02-21  5:39         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 15:53           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 19:45             ` zander
2005-02-21 20:27               ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 17:14               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-14 21:08 Martin Fouts
2005-02-14 21:20 Martin Fouts

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