From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: lm@bitmover.com, Matthew Jacob <lydianconcepts@gmail.com>,
Jeff Sipek <jeffpc@optonline.net>,
Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050214203651.GA24554@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050214185624.GA16029@bitmover.com>
Disclaimer:
I did never use BK and I do not plan to use it.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 10:56:24AM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
>
> All we are trying to do is
>
> 1. Provide the open source community with a useful tool.
> 2. Prevent that from turning into the open source community
> creating a clone of our tool.
>...
> I agree that this sucks, having a license that restricts your creativity
> is very annoying. On the other hand, you don't have to agree to it.
> You only have to agree to it if you want the benefits of using the tool.
> It's not much different than deciding whether you want to buy it, there
> is a cost and a benefit and for some people the benefits outweigh the
> costs and for some they don't.
>
> If anyone can think of a better way for us to both let you use the tool
> and protect our hard work, I'm listening. The repeated outrage over the
> restrictions isn't any more fun for me than it is for you. Any answer,
> however, has to take our issues into consideration as well as yours.
I don't know about copyright law in other countries (and the USA have
both a pretty different legal system and a pretty different copyright
law than Germany), but in Germany the clause you mentioned is simply
void according to German copyright law.
German copyright law doesn't distinguish whether you get money for
allowing the usage of the program or not.
The licence is still valid but the clause is void.
I can accept a void licence clause because this doesn't make it
non-void. That's not uncommon. Perhaps 95% of all software licences
contain clauses that are simply void.
In case you ask:
No, there is no case law in Germany - we have a different legal system.
If you like it or not - at least for people in Germany, I see no way how
the law allows you to enforce what you are trying to do.
You can say it might be morally wrong to break this licence clause - but
this doesn't make it illegal.
cu
Adrian
--
"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-14 20:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-14 2:08 [BK] upgrade will be needed Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 6:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 6:17 ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-14 9:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-14 12:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-02-14 15:08 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 15:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 16:21 ` linux-os
2005-02-14 17:12 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-16 23:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 20:33 ` David Weinehall
2005-02-17 21:31 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-14 17:14 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 17:23 ` Russell Miller
2005-02-14 17:49 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 18:33 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:47 ` Steven Rostedt
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[not found] ` <20050214231148.GP13174@bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <1108425420.8413.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
[not found] ` <20050215000028.GS13174@bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <1108426451.8413.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>
[not found] ` <20050215003535.GB32158@bitmover.com>
2005-02-15 1:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 3:01 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 14:05 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-14 19:29 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 21:13 ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-14 18:17 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 18:36 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:45 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 20:02 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 5:13 ` Scott Lockwood
2005-02-14 18:56 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 20:36 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-02-14 21:25 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:02 ` Henrik Persson
2005-02-14 21:30 ` Tom Felker
2005-02-15 9:04 ` James Bruce
2005-02-16 17:31 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 23:24 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 3:35 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-15 5:23 ` Hua Zhong
2005-02-15 12:19 ` kernel
2005-02-15 12:45 ` linux-os
2005-02-15 13:39 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-16 9:45 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 10:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-16 13:40 ` Schwaighofer Clemens
2005-02-16 15:39 ` d.c
2005-02-17 0:14 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 15:43 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-16 17:01 ` Sean
2005-02-17 0:11 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 4:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 5:57 ` Sean
2005-02-17 6:22 ` d.c
2005-02-17 6:49 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:34 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 16:40 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-17 16:58 ` Sean
2005-02-17 20:52 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 21:24 ` Sean
2005-02-18 1:42 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 7:52 ` Sean
2005-02-18 16:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 18:34 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:31 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:46 ` John Stoffel
2005-02-18 19:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:57 ` Sean
2005-02-19 0:59 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 20:45 ` d.c
2005-02-18 21:13 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-18 21:34 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-18 22:18 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-18 22:35 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-19 7:53 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-23 19:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-21 5:43 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 6:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-21 7:00 ` N/A Christof Dorner
2005-02-21 15:40 ` [BK] upgrade will be needed Kevin P. Fleming
2005-02-17 23:25 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-17 23:32 ` Sean
2005-02-17 23:54 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 23:56 ` Sean
2005-02-18 4:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 4:03 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 7:26 ` Sean
2005-02-18 12:31 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-18 0:29 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 2:31 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 7:55 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 8:09 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 9:27 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 10:27 ` Sean
2005-02-18 0:32 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-14 18:54 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-14 20:13 ` Matthew Dharm
2005-02-14 20:17 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 17:26 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-15 2:46 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-15 13:24 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-14 19:44 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-14 20:05 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 22:24 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-14 22:57 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 23:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 0:03 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 1:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 16:34 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-14 23:29 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-15 13:55 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 16:57 ` Alan Cox
2005-02-17 0:00 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 1:41 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-17 9:46 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-17 12:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 14:07 ` Citizen Number 24655
2005-02-17 15:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 16:27 ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-18 8:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-15 2:13 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 2:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:04 ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-15 12:41 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 13:56 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 14:55 ` Anton Ertl
2005-02-14 13:13 ` Mws
2005-02-14 15:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-14 16:00 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 17:21 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 12:13 ` kernel
2005-02-16 23:46 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-18 8:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 2:05 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-18 2:24 ` [darcs-users] " Tupshin Harper
2005-02-18 2:33 ` Sean
2005-02-18 9:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 10:58 ` Tomasz Zielonka
2005-02-18 11:53 ` Erik Bågfors
2005-02-18 12:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 9:10 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-19 10:17 ` Sean
2005-02-19 16:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 17:15 ` David Roundy
2005-02-19 17:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 12:41 ` David Roundy
2005-02-21 18:33 ` David Brown
2005-02-21 13:48 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-20 10:36 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-18 17:50 ` Dustin Sallings
2005-02-21 5:39 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 15:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 19:45 ` zander
2005-02-21 20:27 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 17:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-14 21:08 Martin Fouts
2005-02-14 21:20 Martin Fouts
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