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From: lm@bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
To: Gerold Jury <gjury@inode.at>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Sipek <jeffpc@optonline.net>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:57:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050214225704.GD16029@bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200502142324.43269.gjury@inode.at>

On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:24:43PM +0100, Gerold Jury wrote:
> Hi Larry
> Hi Everyone
> 
> Do you think it is possible to make a split licence that will distinguish 
> between active changes and passive watching/tracking ?

A lot of people have told us to create two products, the free product
and the commercial product, and license the free product with standard
licensing terms.  The expectation is that we would somehow make the free
product less desirable so that people bought the commercial product.

That's an excellent suggestion if our only goal is to make money, that
makes the free product sort of a teaser and the commercial product the
real deal.  However, the goal really is to help the open source
community, Linux in particular.  If we give away crippled software then
all the people who say we are just a money grubbing corporation are
more or less correct.  At that point we aren't giving away the good
stuff and it was always the goal that you got the latest and greatest
because that's what can do you the most good.

However, it sure sounds like the noisy people would be a lot happier
with a stripped down BK that didn't have as many of the restrictions.
And a possible out for even the open source users is that they buy seats
if they really need the more powerful features.  Or we could donate
some on a case by case basis.

If the hackers who are using BK can reach agreement that it would be
better if the BK they had didn't move forward unless they got commercial
seats then we could start moving towards a license on the free product
that was less restrictive.  What that would mean is that the BK you have
is basically it, we'd not advance it other than keeping it up to date
with the protocol and/or file formats of the commercial version.  If you
think BK is good enough, fast enough, done enough that you don't want
what we have coming down the pike we can go that route.

I suspect that the heavy lifters really would like a faster BK with more
features that help them get their job done but the rank and file could
care less, they just want checkin/checkout.  
-- 
---
Larry McVoy                lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitkeeper.com

  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-14 22:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-14  2:08 [BK] upgrade will be needed Larry McVoy
2005-02-14  6:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14  6:17   ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-14  9:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-14 12:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-02-14 15:08   ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 15:40     ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 16:21       ` linux-os
2005-02-14 17:12         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-16 23:55           ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 20:33           ` David Weinehall
2005-02-17 21:31             ` Chris Wright
2005-02-14 17:14       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 17:23         ` Russell Miller
2005-02-14 17:49           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 18:33             ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:47             ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]               ` <20050214190137.GB16029@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                 ` <1108415541.8413.48.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                   ` <20050214231148.GP13174@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                     ` <1108425420.8413.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                       ` <20050215000028.GS13174@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                         ` <1108426451.8413.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                           ` <20050215003535.GB32158@bitmover.com>
2005-02-15  1:00                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15  3:01                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  3:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 14:05                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-14 19:29             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 21:13               ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-14 18:17       ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 18:36         ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:45           ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 20:02           ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15  5:13           ` Scott Lockwood
2005-02-14 18:56         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 20:36           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-14 21:25             ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:02               ` Henrik Persson
2005-02-14 21:30           ` Tom Felker
2005-02-15  9:04             ` James Bruce
2005-02-16 17:31             ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 23:24           ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15  3:35             ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-15  5:23               ` Hua Zhong
2005-02-15 12:19           ` kernel
2005-02-15 12:45             ` linux-os
2005-02-15 13:39               ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-16  9:45             ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 10:21               ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-16 13:40                 ` Schwaighofer Clemens
2005-02-16 15:39               ` d.c
2005-02-17  0:14                 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 15:43               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-16 17:01                 ` Sean
2005-02-17  0:11                 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17  4:57                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17  5:57                     ` Sean
2005-02-17  6:22                       ` d.c
2005-02-17  6:49                         ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:34                           ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 16:40                             ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:55                               ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-17 16:58                                 ` Sean
2005-02-17 20:52                                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 21:24                                     ` Sean
2005-02-18  1:42                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18  7:52                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18 16:27                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 18:34                                             ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:26                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:31                                                 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:46                                                   ` John Stoffel
2005-02-18 19:49                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:57                                                     ` Sean
2005-02-19  0:59                                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 20:45                                               ` d.c
2005-02-18 21:13                                                 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-18 21:34                                                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-18 22:18                                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-18 22:35                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-19  7:53                                                         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-23 19:15                                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-21  5:43                                             ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21  6:56                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-21  7:00                                                 ` N/A Christof Dorner
2005-02-21 15:40                                                 ` [BK] upgrade will be needed Kevin P. Fleming
2005-02-17 23:25                                   ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-17 23:32                                     ` Sean
2005-02-17 23:54                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 23:56                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18  4:00                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18  4:03                                         ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18  7:26                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18 12:31                                           ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-18  0:29                     ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18  2:31                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17  7:55                   ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17  8:09                     ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17  9:27                       ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 10:27                         ` Sean
2005-02-18  0:32                           ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-14 18:54       ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-14 20:13         ` Matthew Dharm
2005-02-14 20:17         ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 17:26           ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-15  2:46         ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-15 13:24           ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-14 19:44       ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-14 20:05         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 22:24           ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-14 22:57             ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2005-02-14 23:23               ` David Lang
2005-02-15  0:03                 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  1:23                   ` David Lang
2005-02-15 16:34                   ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-14 23:29               ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-15 13:55                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 16:57                   ` Alan Cox
2005-02-17  0:00                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17  1:41                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-17  9:46                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-17 12:36                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 14:07                         ` Citizen Number 24655
2005-02-17 15:05                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 16:27                       ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-18  8:32           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-15  2:13       ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15  2:40         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  3:04           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-15 12:41           ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 13:56           ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 14:55             ` Anton Ertl
2005-02-14 13:13 ` Mws
2005-02-14 15:03   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-14 16:00     ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 17:21       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 12:13       ` kernel
2005-02-16 23:46       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-18  8:56     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18  2:05 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-18  2:24   ` [darcs-users] " Tupshin Harper
2005-02-18  2:33     ` Sean
2005-02-18  9:09     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 10:58       ` Tomasz Zielonka
2005-02-18 11:53       ` Erik Bågfors
2005-02-18 12:50         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19  9:10           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-19 10:17             ` Sean
2005-02-19 16:42             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 17:15               ` David Roundy
2005-02-19 17:53                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 12:41                   ` David Roundy
2005-02-21 18:33                     ` David Brown
2005-02-21 13:48                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-20 10:36                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-18 17:50       ` Dustin Sallings
2005-02-21  5:39         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 15:53           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 19:45             ` zander
2005-02-21 20:27               ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 17:14               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-14 21:08 Martin Fouts
2005-02-14 21:20 Martin Fouts

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