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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: "Erik Bågfors" <zindar@gmail.com>
Cc: Tupshin Harper <tupshin@tupshin.com>,
	darcs-users@darcs.net, lm@bitmover.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [darcs-users] Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:50:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050218125057.GE2071@opteron.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <845b6e8705021803533ba8cc34@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 12:53:09PM +0100, Erik Bågfors wrote:
> RCS/SCCS format doesn't make much sence for a changeset oriented SCM.

The advantage it will provide is that it'll be compact and a backup will
compress at best too. Small compressed tarballs compress very badly
instead, it wouldn't be even comparable. Once the thing is very compact
it has a better chance to fit in cache, and if it fits in cache
extracting diffs from each file will be very fast. Once it'll be compact
the cost of a changeset will be diminished allowing it to scale better
too.

Now it's true new disks are bigger, but they're not much faster, so if
the size of the repository is much larger, it'll be much slower to
checkout if it doesn't fit in cache. And if it's smaller it has better
chances of fitting in cache too.

The thing is, RCS seems a space efficient format for storing patches,
and it's efficient at extracting them too (plus it's textual so it's not
going to get lost info even if something goes wrong).

The whole linux-2.5 CVS is 500M uncompressed and 75M tar.bz2 compressed.

My suggestion is to convert _all_ dozen thousand changesets to arch or
SVN and then compare the size with CVS (also the compressed size is
interesting for backups IMHO). Unfortunately I know nothing about darcs
yet (except it eats quite some memory ;)

  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-18 12:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-14  2:08 [BK] upgrade will be needed Larry McVoy
2005-02-14  6:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14  6:17   ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-14  9:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-14 12:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-02-14 15:08   ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 15:40     ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 16:21       ` linux-os
2005-02-14 17:12         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-16 23:55           ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 20:33           ` David Weinehall
2005-02-17 21:31             ` Chris Wright
2005-02-14 17:14       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 17:23         ` Russell Miller
2005-02-14 17:49           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 18:33             ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:47             ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]               ` <20050214190137.GB16029@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                 ` <1108415541.8413.48.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                   ` <20050214231148.GP13174@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                     ` <1108425420.8413.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                       ` <20050215000028.GS13174@bitmover.com>
     [not found]                         ` <1108426451.8413.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]                           ` <20050215003535.GB32158@bitmover.com>
2005-02-15  1:00                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15  3:01                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  3:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 14:05                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-14 19:29             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 21:13               ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-14 18:17       ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 18:36         ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:45           ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 20:02           ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15  5:13           ` Scott Lockwood
2005-02-14 18:56         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 20:36           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-14 21:25             ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:02               ` Henrik Persson
2005-02-14 21:30           ` Tom Felker
2005-02-15  9:04             ` James Bruce
2005-02-16 17:31             ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 23:24           ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15  3:35             ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-15  5:23               ` Hua Zhong
2005-02-15 12:19           ` kernel
2005-02-15 12:45             ` linux-os
2005-02-15 13:39               ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-16  9:45             ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 10:21               ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-16 13:40                 ` Schwaighofer Clemens
2005-02-16 15:39               ` d.c
2005-02-17  0:14                 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 15:43               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-16 17:01                 ` Sean
2005-02-17  0:11                 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17  4:57                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17  5:57                     ` Sean
2005-02-17  6:22                       ` d.c
2005-02-17  6:49                         ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:34                           ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 16:40                             ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:55                               ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-17 16:58                                 ` Sean
2005-02-17 20:52                                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 21:24                                     ` Sean
2005-02-18  1:42                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18  7:52                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18 16:27                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 18:34                                             ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:26                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:31                                                 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:46                                                   ` John Stoffel
2005-02-18 19:49                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:57                                                     ` Sean
2005-02-19  0:59                                                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 20:45                                               ` d.c
2005-02-18 21:13                                                 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-18 21:34                                                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-18 22:18                                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-18 22:35                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-19  7:53                                                         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-23 19:15                                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-21  5:43                                             ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21  6:56                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-21  7:00                                                 ` N/A Christof Dorner
2005-02-21 15:40                                                 ` [BK] upgrade will be needed Kevin P. Fleming
2005-02-17 23:25                                   ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-17 23:32                                     ` Sean
2005-02-17 23:54                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 23:56                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18  4:00                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18  4:03                                         ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18  7:26                                         ` Sean
2005-02-18 12:31                                           ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-18  0:29                     ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18  2:31                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17  7:55                   ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17  8:09                     ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17  9:27                       ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 10:27                         ` Sean
2005-02-18  0:32                           ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-14 18:54       ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-14 20:13         ` Matthew Dharm
2005-02-14 20:17         ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 17:26           ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-15  2:46         ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-15 13:24           ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-14 19:44       ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-14 20:05         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 22:24           ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-14 22:57             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 23:23               ` David Lang
2005-02-15  0:03                 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  1:23                   ` David Lang
2005-02-15 16:34                   ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-14 23:29               ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-15 13:55                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 16:57                   ` Alan Cox
2005-02-17  0:00                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17  1:41                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-17  9:46                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-17 12:36                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 14:07                         ` Citizen Number 24655
2005-02-17 15:05                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 16:27                       ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-18  8:32           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-15  2:13       ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15  2:40         ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15  3:04           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-15 12:41           ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 13:56           ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 14:55             ` Anton Ertl
2005-02-14 13:13 ` Mws
2005-02-14 15:03   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-14 16:00     ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 17:21       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 12:13       ` kernel
2005-02-16 23:46       ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-18  8:56     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18  2:05 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-18  2:24   ` [darcs-users] " Tupshin Harper
2005-02-18  2:33     ` Sean
2005-02-18  9:09     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 10:58       ` Tomasz Zielonka
2005-02-18 11:53       ` Erik Bågfors
2005-02-18 12:50         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2005-02-19  9:10           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-19 10:17             ` Sean
2005-02-19 16:42             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 17:15               ` David Roundy
2005-02-19 17:53                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 12:41                   ` David Roundy
2005-02-21 18:33                     ` David Brown
2005-02-21 13:48                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-20 10:36                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-18 17:50       ` Dustin Sallings
2005-02-21  5:39         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 15:53           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 19:45             ` zander
2005-02-21 20:27               ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 17:14               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found] <fa.g6qsmpt.131ka8d@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.i74fd0g.1j44204@ifi.uio.no>
2005-02-22  1:04   ` walt

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