From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:08:08 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050303170808.GG4608@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0503030750420.25732@ppc970.osdl.org>
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 08:23:39AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>...
> But look at how to solve it. The _logical_ solution is to have a third
> line of defense: we have the -mm trees (wild and wacky patches), and we
> have my tree (hopefully not wacky any more), and it would be good to have
> a third level tree (which I'm just not interested in, because that one
> doesn't do any development any more) which only takes the "so totally not
> wild that it's really boring" patches.
>
> In fact, if somebody maintained that kind of tree, especially in BK, it
> would be trivial for me to just pull from it every once in a while (like
> ever _day_ if necessary). But for that to work, then that tree would have
> to be about so _obviously_ not wild patches that it's a no-brainer.
>
> So what's the problem with this approach? It would seem to make everybody
> happy: it would reduce my load, it would give people the alternate "2.6.x
> base kernel plus fixes only" parallell track, and it would _not_ have the
> testability issue (because I think a lot of people would be happy to test
> that tree, and if it was always based on the last 2.6.x release, there
> would be no issues.
>...
> - some very _technical_ and objective rules on patches. And they should
> limit the patches severely, so that people can never blame the sucker
> who does the job. For example, I would suggest that "size" be one hard
> technical rule. If the patch is more than 100 lines (with context) in
> size, it's not trivial any more. Really. Two big screenfuls (or four,
> for people who still use the ISO-ANSI standard 80x24 vt100)
>...
This only attacks part of the problem.
Most regressions that annoy users aren't in some core system, they are
in drivers.
What if $big_driver_update in 2.6.12 fixed a serious bug for some people
but broke the driver for many other people, and both reverting this
patch and fixing the driver for the people it's broken for exceeds such
size limits?
> Linus
cu
Adrian
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of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
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2005-03-02 22:21 RFD: Kernel release numbering Linus Torvalds
2005-03-02 22:53 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-02 23:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-02 23:28 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-02 23:38 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-03 2:09 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-03-03 0:20 ` Wakko Warner
2005-03-03 5:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-02 22:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-02 22:58 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-02 23:23 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 14:31 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-02 23:44 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-03 2:14 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-04 18:25 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-03-02 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 0:32 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 22:22 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-02 22:58 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-02 23:20 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-02 23:04 ` Greg KH
2005-03-02 23:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-02 23:55 ` Greg KH
2005-03-02 23:04 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-02 23:06 ` Russell King
2005-03-02 23:22 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-02 23:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 0:20 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 1:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 2:21 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-03 10:29 ` Prakash Punnoor
2005-03-03 11:08 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-03-03 16:20 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-03 6:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 8:19 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 8:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 9:01 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 10:15 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 10:26 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-03 10:45 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 10:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 14:08 ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-03 16:19 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 19:41 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 21:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-03 11:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 11:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-03 17:07 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-03-03 19:33 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 20:38 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-03-03 21:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 22:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-06 7:53 ` Andres Salomon
2005-03-06 8:05 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-06 23:12 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-09 12:34 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-03 0:27 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 3:10 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 3:47 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 4:03 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 10:26 ` Erik Hensema
2005-03-03 16:28 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-04 10:40 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:32 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-03-04 14:12 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-04 19:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-03-06 0:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 12:52 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-03 4:38 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 5:21 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 5:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-03 16:36 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-03 20:43 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-04 11:06 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 13:04 ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-03 21:49 ` John Cherry
2005-03-03 21:52 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 22:02 ` John Cherry
2005-03-08 23:25 ` szonyi calin
2005-03-08 23:39 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 23:44 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 23:50 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-09 18:03 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 10:52 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:11 ` Ian Campbell
2005-03-04 11:16 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:32 ` Ian Campbell
2005-03-05 12:26 ` David Weinehall
2005-03-04 11:26 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 11:36 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 11:44 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 11:54 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 12:40 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 13:25 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 17:33 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 18:11 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 18:32 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-03-05 17:49 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-04 19:35 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 22:22 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 22:27 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 22:48 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 23:04 ` Russell King
2005-03-04 16:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-06 22:58 ` Russell King
2005-05-06 23:18 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-07 10:51 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-07 11:26 ` Russell King
2005-05-07 13:20 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-05-07 14:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-07 14:41 ` select of non-existing I2C* symbols Adrian Bunk
2005-05-08 18:20 ` [kbuild-devel] " Sam Ravnborg
2005-05-08 18:28 ` Russell King
2005-05-11 22:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-05-11 14:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-05-11 22:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 3:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-05-07 14:45 ` frv, v850: no defconfig's Adrian Bunk
2005-05-07 15:01 ` [-mm patch] fix typo in arch/h8300/Kconfig.cpu Adrian Bunk
2005-03-08 15:12 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Ralf Baechle
2005-03-03 0:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-02 23:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-03-02 23:10 ` Josh Boyer
2005-03-02 23:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 8:59 ` Matthew Frost
2005-03-03 14:15 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-03-02 23:18 ` Mark Gross
2005-03-02 23:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:23 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 0:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 0:58 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 1:11 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 1:20 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 1:27 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 14:58 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-03-03 19:55 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 21:09 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 21:26 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 21:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:39 ` Bill Nottingham
2005-03-04 9:16 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-03-03 22:24 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 1:59 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 3:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-03 14:54 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-03 23:39 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-06 22:43 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-06 22:57 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 2:13 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 1:15 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-03 1:23 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 2:14 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-03 3:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 4:51 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 3:23 ` Andrew James Wade
2005-03-04 8:02 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-03-03 2:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 3:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 3:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:02 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 4:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 4:58 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 5:08 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-03 5:33 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 7:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 8:04 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 8:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 8:58 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 9:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 9:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 16:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 16:43 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-03-03 17:06 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:04 ` Eric Gaumer
2005-03-03 17:19 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-03 16:59 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 23:51 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 0:19 ` CaT
2005-03-04 0:44 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 1:44 ` IDE locking (was: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering) CaT
2005-03-04 4:33 ` CaT
2005-03-04 10:48 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 17:50 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 17:03 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-03 17:07 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 17:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 18:02 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-03 19:35 ` Sean
2005-03-03 20:27 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 20:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 23:34 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-03 20:26 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 16:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 17:08 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-03-03 17:12 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 19:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:04 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 20:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 21:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:42 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 9:43 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-03-03 19:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 8:44 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 19:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 20:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-03 17:52 ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-03-03 18:09 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 18:11 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 23:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-04 0:03 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 2:57 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-04 5:30 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 5:50 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-04 7:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 8:11 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 8:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 8:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 9:16 ` Jens Axboe
2005-03-04 9:21 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 17:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 19:07 ` Steven Cole
2005-03-05 0:14 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-04 18:35 ` William Park
2005-03-04 18:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 18:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-03-04 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 21:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-03-04 18:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 19:20 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-04 20:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 22:29 ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-04 22:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-06 12:57 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-04 21:48 ` David Lang
2005-03-04 9:24 ` Nick Piggin
2005-03-04 9:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-04 10:45 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 4:26 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-04 0:01 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 2:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 2:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 3:04 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 5:34 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 10:59 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 11:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 12:51 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 13:05 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 18:38 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 18:59 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-03-04 19:14 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 20:00 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-04 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 19:21 ` Greg KH
2005-03-04 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-04 18:33 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-04 18:50 ` Charles Cazabon
2005-03-06 7:29 ` Andres Salomon
2005-03-03 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 21:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:24 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 21:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:53 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 22:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 21:38 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 22:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-03 18:42 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 21:56 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 22:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 22:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-04 12:43 ` Paulo Marques
2005-03-05 6:50 ` James Bourne
2005-03-08 21:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-03-03 8:28 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-03-03 8:53 ` Greg KH
2005-03-03 9:06 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-03 9:42 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 9:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-03 10:03 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 10:43 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 17:46 ` David Lang
2005-03-03 15:58 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-03 6:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-03-03 9:06 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 4:05 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-03-03 4:21 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-03 11:40 ` Thomas Molina
2005-03-03 6:55 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 9:12 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 9:47 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 10:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 13:23 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-05 10:13 ` John Alvord
2005-03-05 10:49 ` Rene Herman
2005-03-03 10:49 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-03-03 11:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 11:48 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-03-03 17:59 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 11:27 ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-03-03 16:00 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-03 13:13 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-03-03 16:44 ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-03 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-03 19:20 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering - an orthogonal solution David Greaves
2005-03-03 20:36 ` RFD: Kernel release numbering Horst von Brand
2005-03-03 23:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-04 1:52 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-13 11:11 ` Jan Rychter
2005-03-03 2:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 3:03 ` Ben Greear
2005-03-03 4:05 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 15:08 ` Thomas Graf
2005-03-03 5:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-03-03 1:23 ` Nick Piggin
2005-03-03 1:39 ` Hua Zhong
2005-03-03 1:56 ` Russell Miller
2005-03-02 23:52 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-03 15:00 ` David Greaves
2005-03-04 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-03-03 0:06 ` Richard Purdie
2005-03-03 0:11 ` RFD: " Neil Brown
2005-03-03 0:48 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 1:27 ` Neil Brown
2005-03-03 2:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 2:41 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-03 0:17 ` workflow (was Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering) Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 1:04 ` Kernel release numbering Massimo Cetra
2005-03-03 1:34 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2005-03-03 1:35 ` Ben Greear
2005-03-03 13:52 ` Jochen Striepe
2005-03-03 14:19 ` Massimo Cetra
2005-03-03 2:24 ` RFD: " Paul Jackson
2005-03-03 3:46 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-03-03 4:10 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-03 9:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-03-03 10:38 ` Bernhard Schauer
2005-03-03 11:22 ` Helge Hafting
2005-03-03 16:01 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-03-03 17:37 ` Paul Dickson
2005-03-03 22:15 ` Alan Cox
2005-03-03 22:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-03 23:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-04 8:35 ` David Lang
2005-03-04 4:36 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-04 14:29 ` Adam
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-04 16:29 Indrek Kruusa
2005-03-08 22:45 szonyi calin
2005-03-08 23:36 szonyi calin
2005-03-09 15:48 ` Chris Friesen
2005-03-09 20:19 szonyi calin
2005-03-22 9:00 viking
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