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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@us.ibm.com>
Cc: suparna@in.ibm.com, daniel@osdl.org, sebastien.dugue@bull.net,
	linux-aio@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.6.10 -  direct-io async short read bug
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:39:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050309143936.046f163a.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1110403885.24286.216.camel@dyn318077bld.beaverton.ibm.com>

Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 11:53, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  > 	Solaris, which does forcedirectio as a mount option, actually
> > >  > will do buffered I/O on the trailing part.  Consider it like a bounce
> > >  > buffer.  That way they don't DMA the trailing data and succeed the I/O.
> > >  > The I/O returns actual bytes till EOF, just like read(2) is supposed to.
> > >  > 	Either this or a fully DMA'd number 4 is really what we should
> > >  > do.  If security can only be solved via a bounce buffer, who cares?  If
> > >  > the user created themselves a non-aligned file to open O_DIRECT, that's
> > >  > their problem if the last part-sector is negligably slower.
> > > 
> > >  If writes/truncates take care of zeroing out the rest of the sector
> > >  on disk, might we still be OK without having to do the bounce buffer
> > >  thing ?
> > 
> > We can probably rely on the rest of the sector outside i_size being zeroed
> > anyway.  Because if it contains non-zero gunk then the fs already has a
> > problem, and the user can get at that gunk with an expanding truncate and
> > mmap() anyway.
> > 
> 
> Rest of the sector or rest of the block ?

The filesystem-sized block (1<<i_blkbits) which straddles i_size should
have zeroes outside i_size.

There's one situation where it might not be zeroed out, and that's when the
final page is mapped MAP_SHARED and the application modifies that page
outside i_size while writeout is actually in flight.  We can't do much about
that.

> Are you implying that, we
> already do this, so there is no problem reading beyond EOF to user
> buffer ? Or we need to zero out the userbuffer beyond EOF ?

It should be acceptable to assume that the final (1<<i_blkbits) block of
the file contains zeroes outside i_size.

And if it doesn't contain those zeroes, well, applications are able to read
that data already.  Although I wouldn't count that as a security hole: that
data is something which an application wrote there while writing the file,
rather than being left-over uncontrolled stuff.



  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-10  4:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-07 10:00 [PATCH] 2.6.10 - direct-io async short read bug Sébastien Dugué
2005-03-08  6:39 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  9:09   ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-03-08  9:18     ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  9:41       ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-03-08  9:41         ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 10:27           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-03-08 10:27             ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 17:23     ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-03-08 19:18       ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-03-08 23:27         ` Daniel McNeil
2005-03-08 23:54           ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-03-09  4:07             ` Joel Becker
2005-03-09  9:50               ` Sébastien Dugué
2005-03-09 15:20               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-03-09 19:53                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-09 21:18                   ` Joel Becker
2005-03-09 21:31                   ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-03-09 22:39                     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-03-09 22:45                       ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-03-09  1:44         ` Daniel McNeil
2005-03-09 15:58           ` Badari Pulavarty
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-08  9:46 Sébastien Dugué
2005-03-08 10:16 Sébastien Dugué

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