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From: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: dtor_core@ameritech.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Changes to the driver model class code.
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:15:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050315201503.GA3591@isilmar.linta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050315193415.GA26299@kroah.com>

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:34:15AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> > And what about device_driver and device structure? Are they going to
> > be changed over to be separately allocated linked objects?
> 
> The driver stuff probably will be, and the device stuff possibly.
> However, they are used by a very small ammount of core code (the bus
> drivers), so changing that interface is not that important at this time.

So this means every device will have yet another reference count, and you
need to be aware of _each_ lifetime to write correct code. And the 
_reference counting_ is the hard thing to get right, so we should make 
_that_ easier. The existing class API was a step towards this direction, and
with the changes you're suggesting here we'd do two jumps backwards.

> > If not then its enouther reason to keep original class interface -
> > uniformity of driver model interface.
> 
> Ease-of-use trumps uniformity

Ease-of-use, maybe. However, it also means
ease-of-getting-reference-counting-wrong. And reference counting trumps it
all :)

Thanks,
	Dominik

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-15 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-15 17:08 [RFC] Changes to the driver model class code Greg KH
2005-03-15 17:09 ` Greg KH
2005-03-15 17:10   ` Greg KH
2005-03-15 17:10     ` Greg KH
2005-03-15 17:11       ` Greg KH
2005-03-15 17:47 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-15 19:34   ` Greg KH
2005-03-15 19:47     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-15 20:15     ` Dominik Brodowski [this message]
2005-03-15 22:14       ` Greg KH
2005-03-16  1:01         ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-03-16  3:42         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-27 14:42         ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-03-15 19:08 ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-03-15 19:30   ` [linux-usb-devel] " Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-15 19:34   ` Sean
2005-03-15 19:45   ` John Lenz
2005-03-15 19:51   ` Greg KH
2005-03-15 20:06     ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-03-15 20:14     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-15 20:35       ` David Brownell
2005-03-15 20:48         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-15 21:14           ` David Brownell
2005-03-15 21:23             ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-03-15 22:05             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-15 22:29               ` David Brownell
2005-03-16 23:16 ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-17  6:17   ` Greg KH

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