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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, dipankar@in.ibm.com, shemminger@osdl.org,
	akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, rusty@au1.ibm.com,
	tgall@us.ibm.com, jim.houston@comcast.net,
	manfred@colorfullife.com, gh@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Real-Time Preemption and RCU
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:57:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050318155753.GD1299@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050318131729.GB5107@nietzsche.lynx.com>

On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 05:17:29AM -0800, Bill Huey wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 04:56:41AM -0800, Bill Huey wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 04:20:26PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > 5. Scalability -and- Realtime Response.
> > ...
> > 
> > > 	void
> > > 	rcu_read_lock(void)
> > > 	{
> > > 		preempt_disable();
> > > 		if (current->rcu_read_lock_nesting++ == 0) {
> > > 			current->rcu_read_lock_ptr =
> > > 				&__get_cpu_var(rcu_data).lock;
> > > 			read_lock(current->rcu_read_lock_ptr);
> > > 		}
> > > 		preempt_enable();
> > > 	}
> > 
> > Ok, here's a rather unsure question...
> > 
> > Uh, is that a sleep violation if that is exclusively held since it
> > can block within an atomic critical section (deadlock) ?
> 
> I'd like to note another problem. Mingo's current implementation of rt_mutex
> (super mutex for all blocking synchronization) is still missing reader counts
> and something like that would have to be implemented if you want to do priority
> inheritance over blocks.
> 
> This is going to throw a wrench into your implementation if you assume that.

If we need to do priority inheritance across the memory allocator, so
that high-priority tasks blocked waiting for memory pass their priority
on to RCU readers, agreed.  But I don't see any sign that real-time
preempt does this.

In absence of this, as Ingo noted, the fact that readers don't block
each other should make things be safe.  I think...

						Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-18 15:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-18  0:20 Real-Time Preemption and RCU Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18  7:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:43   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 17:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 17:29       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 20:35       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 22:22         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-19  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18  8:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 15:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-19  5:03     ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-19 16:26       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  6:36         ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-20  9:25           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-20 16:57             ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-20 21:38               ` Bill Huey
2005-03-20 21:59                 ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 10:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 11:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:48     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 17:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20 13:29         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-20 22:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-20 23:23             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22  5:53               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  8:55                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22  9:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 10:19                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-23  5:40                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23 11:44                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-24  7:02                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 11:39             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22 13:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 15:08                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 15:48   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 11:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 12:56 ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 13:17   ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 15:57     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2005-03-18 16:02     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:55       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22 10:04         ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:17           ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:34             ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:38           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 22:26       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-19 16:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  8:01           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-22  8:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 15:54   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 15:58     ` Ingo Molnar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-06-11 22:57 real-time preemption " James Huang

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