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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>
Subject: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:28:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050322112856.GA25129@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050322100153.GA23143@elte.hu>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> 
> * Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> 
> > hm, another thing: i think call_rcu() needs to take the read-lock.
> > Right now it assumes that it has the data structure private, but
> > that's only statistically true on PREEMPT_RT: another CPU may have
> > this CPU's RCU control structure in use. So IRQs-off (or preempt-off)
> > is not a guarantee to have the data structure, the read lock has to be
> > taken.
> 
> i've reworked the code to use the read-lock to access the per-CPU data
> RCU structures, and it boots with 2 CPUs and PREEMPT_RT now. The
> -40-05 patch can be downloaded from the usual place:

bah, it's leaking dentries at a massive scale. I'm giving up on this
variant for the time being and have gone towards a much simpler variant,
implemented in the -40-07 patch at:

   http://redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/

it's along the lines of Esben's patch, but with the conceptual bug fixed
via the rcu_read_lock_nesting code from Paul's patch.

there's a new CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU option. (always-enabled on PREEMPT_RT)
It builds & boots fine on my 2-way box, doesnt leak dentries and
networking is up and running.

first question, (ignoring the grace priod problem) is this a correct RCU
implementation? The critical scenario is when a task gets migrated to
another CPU, so that current->rcu_data is that of another CPU's. That is
why ->active_readers is an atomic variable now. [ Note that while
->active_readers may be decreased from another CPU, it's always
increased on the current CPU, so when a preemption-off section
determines that a quiescent state has passed that determination stays
true up until it enables preemption again. This is needed for correct
callback processing. ]

this implementation has the 'long grace periods' problem. Starvation
should only be possible if a system has zero idle time for a long period
of time, and even then it needs the permanent starvation of
involuntarily preempted rcu-read-locked tasks. Is there any way to force
such a situation? (which would turn this into a DoS)

[ in OOM situations we could force quiescent state by walking all tasks
and checking for nonzero ->rcu_read_lock_nesting values and priority
boosting affected tasks (to RT prio 99 or RT prio 1), which they'd
automatically drop when they decrease their rcu_read_lock_nesting
counter to zero. ]

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-22 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-19 19:16 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-00 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  0:24 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-21 15:42   ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-20  1:33 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20  1:50   ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-20  4:32     ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20 22:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-20 17:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-21  8:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21  9:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21  9:06       ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-01 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21 23:10         ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-22  5:40           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  8:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 13:56             ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-23  5:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  5:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  7:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  9:23             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  9:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 10:01                 ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-05 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 11:28                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-03-22 15:06                     ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 K.R. Foley
2005-03-22 18:05                     ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-23  6:16                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  6:33                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  6:37                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  7:16                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  7:54                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-23  7:58                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  8:29                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2005-03-23  9:03                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23 21:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:59                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  6:38                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  9:38                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  9:49                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-24  6:52                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  5:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  5:34                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  7:46                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  8:31                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24  8:47                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 10:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 11:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 14:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 17:51                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 18:17                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 23:05                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-25  6:19                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-26 16:31                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-26 19:11                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-26 16:04                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30  6:31                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30  6:50                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-30 16:46                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 19:44                                             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-30 19:56                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 21:39                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 21:43                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 11:03                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:03                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-31 12:14                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 13:33                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:22                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 12:36                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 12:58                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 13:28                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:49                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 14:10                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 17:41                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 17:49                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 18:17                                                             ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-31 21:00                                                               ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 (update) Gene Heskett
2005-03-31 20:22                                                             ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  0:59                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  4:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01  5:13                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  5:19                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01 12:27                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-07 21:21                                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-10 10:31                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 15:06                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 10:42                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  9:40                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  9:48                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  5:23                   ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-05 Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  4:48                 ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-01 Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  6:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar

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