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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities]
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:45:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050330094555.GA10364@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1111539217.4691.57.camel@mindpipe>

Hi!

> > > I'm really not trolling, but I suspect if we made the boot process less
> > > verbose, people would start to wonder more about why Linux takes so much
> > > longer than XP to boot.
> > 
> > By the way, Microsoft seems to be claiming that boot time will be reduced to the half
> > with Longhorn. While we already know how ms marketing team works, 50% looks
> > like a lot. Is there a good place to discuss what could be done in the linuxland to
> > improve things? It doesn't looks like a couple of optimizations will be enought...
> > 
> 
> Yup, many people on this list seem unaware but read the XP white papers,
> then try booting it side by side with Linux.  They put some serious,
> serious engineering into that problem and came out with a big win.
> Screw Longhorn, we need improve by 50% to catch up to what they can do
> NOW.
> 
> The solution is fairly well known.  Rather than treating the zillions of
> disk seeks during the boot process as random unconnected events, you

Heh, we actually tried that at SuSE and yes, eliminating seeks helps a
bit, but no, it is not magicall cure you'd want it to be.

Only solution seems to be "do less during boot".
								Pavel
-- 
People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers...
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-30  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-11  1:24 AGP bogosities Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11  2:04 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11  2:11   ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11  2:18     ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11  2:38       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11  4:02         ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11  4:30           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11 16:39             ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11 17:59               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2005-03-11 18:04                 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-12  3:27                   ` Mike Werner
2005-03-12  3:58                     ` Dave Jones
2005-03-13  3:13                       ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-13  4:08                         ` Dave Jones
2005-03-13  4:28                           ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 22:43                 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11 23:22                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2005-03-12  0:12                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-12  1:34                     ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11 18:04   ` James Simmons
2005-03-11 18:08     ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-11  2:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11  2:12 ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11  2:18   ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-11  2:23     ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11  2:40       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11  2:49         ` Dave Jones
2005-03-12 20:49           ` Greg KH
2005-03-11  2:42     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 22:18       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2005-03-11 22:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 22:33           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-11 23:52             ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-11 22:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 23:09           ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-12  0:06             ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-14  8:17           ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-14  8:27             ` David Lang
2005-03-14  8:37               ` dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities] Pavel Machek
2005-03-14 16:55                 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-14 17:03                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-14 17:17                   ` Dave Jones
2005-03-14 17:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-14 17:27                     ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-14 17:27                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-15 20:18                     ` Greg Stark
2005-03-14 18:12                   ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-14 19:07                     ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20  6:44                       ` David Lang
2005-03-23  0:37                       ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-23  0:53                         ` Lee Revell
2005-03-23  1:13                           ` Dave Jones
2005-03-23  1:29                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-23  8:21                             ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-03-23 16:14                               ` Dave Jones
2005-03-23 16:49                                 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-03-23 17:17                                   ` Dave Jones
2005-03-23 14:10                             ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-23  8:19                           ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-03-30  9:45                           ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2005-03-23  0:53                         ` Zan Lynx
2005-03-23  0:55                         ` Grant Coady
2005-03-14 21:55                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14 22:08                     ` David Lang
2005-03-15  0:02                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-11 22:42         ` AGP bogosities Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-11 22:47           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-03-12 17:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-12 22:26           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2005-03-12 22:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11  2:35   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-11  2:43     ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11  2:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-03-11 22:11 ` J.A. Magallon
2005-03-11 22:18   ` Dave Jones
2005-03-11 22:46     ` J.A. Magallon
2005-03-11 23:16       ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-03-11 23:17         ` J.A. Magallon
2005-03-11 23:23           ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-03-11 23:24             ` J.A. Magallon
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-30 10:19 dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities] tvrtko.ursulin

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