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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, rlrevell@joe-job.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NFS client latencies
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:30:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050331073017.GA16577@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050330231801.129b0715.akpm@osdl.org>


* Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:

> Well.  The radix-tree approach's best-case is probably quite a lot 
> worse than the list-based approach's best-case.  It hits a lot more 
> cachelines and involves a lot more code.

The list-based approach's best-case are large continuous append writes.  
No sorting overhead, and light data structures.

i'd say this workload should be not that bad under the radix tree either 
- the gang lookup stuffs a nice vector of 16 pages into an array.

we definitely can say nothing based on the observation that a _single_ 
page took 1.9 msecs in Lee's previous measurement, while 7700 pages now 
take 6 msecs to process.

> But of course the radix-tree's worst-case will be far better than 
> list's.

the generic VM/pagecache has proven that the radix tree wins hands down 
for alot more workloads than the worst-case.

> And presumably that list-based code rarely hits the worst-case, else 
> it would have been changed by now.

that was my other point in a previous mail: most write benchmarks do 
continuous append writes, and CPU overhead easily gets lost in network 
latency.

Also, considering that a good portion of the NFS client's code is still 
running under the BKL one would assume if the BKL hurts performance it 
would have been changed by now? ;-)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-31  7:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-29 23:04 NFS client latencies Lee Revell
2005-03-29 23:18 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-29 23:32   ` Lee Revell
2005-03-29 23:34     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-29 23:37       ` Lee Revell
2005-03-30  8:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-30 14:11         ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-30 14:20           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-30 19:53             ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-30 14:26   ` Lee Revell
2005-03-30 14:50     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-30 19:50       ` Lee Revell
2005-03-30 19:56       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-30 21:14         ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31  2:26           ` Lee Revell
2005-03-31  2:39             ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-31  2:47               ` Lee Revell
2005-03-31  3:48                 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31  6:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31  7:15                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31  7:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-31  7:30                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-03-31 11:58                         ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31 12:34                           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31 13:58                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 14:32                               ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31 14:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 14:50                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01  2:28                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-04-01  4:30                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01 16:16                                         ` Orion Poplawski
2005-04-01 16:33                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-04-01 21:18                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-03-31 14:54                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 15:00                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31 14:54                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31 14:58                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 15:06                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31 15:10                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 16:00                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-03-31 15:10                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31  7:03                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31  7:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31  7:48               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31  7:58                 ` Ingo Molnar

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