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From: Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr>
To: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>
Cc: Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr>,
	debian-legal@lists.debian.org, debian-kernel@lists.debian.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice.
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:46:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050406074653.GA12492@pegasos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1112772884.2271.0.camel@silicium.ccc.cea.fr>

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:34:44AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 06 avril 2005 à 02:10 +0200, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > > It merely depends on the definition of "aggregation". I'd say that two
> > > works that are only aggregated can be easily distinguished and
> > > separated. This is not the case for a binary kernel module, from which
> > > you cannot easily extract the firmware and code parts.
> > 
> > Josselin, please read the thread i linked to in debian-legal, and as nobody
> > really gave reason to oppose it, i believe we have consensus that those
> > firmware blobs constitute mere agregation, provided they are clearly
> > identified and properly licenced, which they are not always.
> 
> The fact that nobody cared to answer you shouldn't be considered as any
> kind of approval for your sayings.

There were a couple of replies, but if you are going to argue this, please
read the analysis i made, and reply to it. Read in particular :

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/03/msg00288.html

Which contains a more formal analysis from Humberto Massa.

So, given that this thread together with the GPLed firmware flasher thread got
a respectable amount of replies, i believe we can claim consensus, and this is
something the debian-kernel team has been acting upon, and i believe even
aknowledged by the release managers and ftp-masters.

If you have strong evidence that this is not the case, it would really have
been nice to comment on it before the kernel team (not only me which you may
dislike for past dealings or whatever) waste effort on something which is
wrong in the first place, and i commend you to participate in the above thread
asap, voicing your concerns (or remain silent forever thereafter :).

Friendly,

Sven Luther


  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-06  7:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <lLj-vC.A.92G.w4pUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 15:00 ` non-free firmware in kernel modules, aggregation and unclear copyright notice Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 15:50   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 17:53     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:17       ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-05 18:34         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 18:50       ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-05 18:56         ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  0:10           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-06  7:34             ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-06  7:46               ` Sven Luther [this message]
2005-04-08  7:47         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 19:28       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 19:40         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 19:50           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 20:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05 20:16         ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-05 20:41           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 21:13             ` Brian Gerst
2005-04-06  9:04         ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-06 20:15         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-08  7:44     ` Sven Luther
     [not found] <9rcYQC.A.LsH.E_qXCB@murphy>
2005-04-14 18:26 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <JMgucB.A.0PB.b3cXCB@murphy>
2005-04-14 12:18 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14 17:44   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14 18:43     ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <_WpYEC.A.JPD.F9BXCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 20:23 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-14  1:37   ` David Schwartz
     [not found] <Xuc2QB.A._uB.h6_WCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 17:29 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <d03KdB.A.m0F.3RtWCB@murphy>
2005-04-12 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-12 19:01   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:31     ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <3S5Kr-72b-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <3ScVq-4N8-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-04-12  9:41   ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-04-12 16:44     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 17:50       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 19:05         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 21:37           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-14  1:54             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-14  5:13               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-12 18:53       ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 19:15         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-12 20:00           ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-12 22:45             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-13  5:46               ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  6:28                 ` Sean Kellogg
2005-04-13 13:55                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-13  9:17               ` Bodo Eggert
2005-04-11 16:12 Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 16:25 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-11 20:54   ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-11 21:07     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12  0:40       ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12  5:40         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-12 16:14           ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-12 18:45             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-13  2:23               ` Zan Lynx
2005-04-13 14:53               ` Marco Colombo
2005-04-13 19:47                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-14 18:03                   ` Marco Colombo
     [not found] <dpBgeB.A.8M.o1nWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 13:44 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <Tx9naC.A.vTD.H5YWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:54 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-11 13:36   ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 19:31   ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 19:46     ` Michael Poole
2005-04-11 20:29     ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <zJc_PD.A.R_C.UFRWCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:51 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <VrRWRB.A.IlC.3y-VCB@murphy>
2005-04-11 11:44 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <sSO4cD.A.ELC.VTdVCB@murphy>
2005-04-08 12:08 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08 12:20   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
     [not found] <vVUko.A.NkD.kNTVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 14:30 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 14:53   ` Oliver Neukum
2005-04-07 15:01     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 15:07       ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found] <L0f93D.A.68G.D2OVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 12:29 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 13:03   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-07 13:30     ` John Stoffel
2005-04-07 13:34     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-04-07 14:15     ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08  8:06       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  9:46   ` Ralph Corderoy
     [not found] <08Gc5.A.AFC.QJPVCB@murphy>
2005-04-07 12:15 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-08  2:10   ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  3:05     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  3:56       ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-08  7:57         ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 20:48         ` David Schwartz
2005-04-09 11:19           ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-10  3:07             ` David Schwartz
2005-04-10  4:20               ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-10 20:18                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11  1:34                   ` Glenn Maynard
2005-04-11  2:40                     ` David Schwartz
2005-04-11 20:17                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-11 11:43                 ` Anthony DeRobertis
2005-04-11  0:26               ` Henning Makholm
2005-04-11  2:40                 ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  4:05       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:54     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  7:51   ` Sven Luther
     [not found] <t1ufbC.A.C6H.38tUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 19:00 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-06 20:36   ` Raul Miller
     [not found] <UwJpRC.A.8E.5erUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 16:53 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <ea-O2D.A.6pD.MWoUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 14:37 ` Humberto Massa
     [not found] <h-GOHD.A.KL.s2aUCB@murphy>
2005-04-05 12:03 ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-05 12:16   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 14:02     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 17:30       ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-05 13:57   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 14:53     ` Humberto Massa
2005-04-07 20:56     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-07 21:05       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  0:31         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  6:54           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 17:20             ` Adrian Bunk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-04 10:09 Sven Luther
2005-04-04 10:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-04 10:59   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  7:17     ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07 11:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 13:26 ` Michael Poole
2005-04-04 14:16   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 17:51     ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 18:21       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:12         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-04 19:24           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:36           ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 18:27       ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:17         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:29           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:58             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 20:23               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-04 21:16                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:55             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-04 21:19               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:19                 ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  8:32                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  8:49                     ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:32                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05  9:36                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-05  9:39                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-05 10:42                                 ` Andres Salomon
2005-04-05  9:46                               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 12:09                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-05 12:14                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-06 19:22                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07  9:34                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-07 10:28                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-07 11:27                             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 11:46                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-07 18:42                                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08  3:06                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-04-08  6:41                                     ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:30                         ` Ian Campbell
2005-04-05  9:36                           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 15:21                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05 21:37                     ` Don Armstrong
2005-04-04 18:39       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-04-04 19:55         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 20:27           ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 20:47             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-04 21:24               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 21:58                 ` Sven Luther
2005-04-05  9:33               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07  1:05               ` Alan Cox
2005-04-07  7:28               ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  7:25         ` Jes Sorensen
2005-04-07  8:04           ` David Schmitt
2005-04-07  8:17             ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:32               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-07  8:46                 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-07  8:26           ` David Schwartz
2005-04-07 20:16             ` Raul Miller
2005-04-07 23:20               ` David Schwartz
2005-04-08  3:55                 ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08  7:41                   ` Sven Luther
2005-04-08 12:30                     ` Raul Miller
2005-04-04 19:05       ` Marco d'Itri
2005-04-04 19:14         ` Greg KH
2005-04-04 19:32         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-05 14:05           ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-05 15:39             ` Sven Luther
2005-04-07 21:07             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08  7:22               ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 11:23                 ` Jörn Engel
2005-04-08 17:34                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 17:42                   ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-08 18:01                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-08 18:16                       ` Rich Walker
2005-04-08 18:42                       ` Josselin Mouette
2005-04-10  9:24                         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-04-11 20:55                           ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09  0:31                   ` Raul Miller
2005-04-09 14:38                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-04-09 20:31                       ` Raul Miller
2005-04-08 11:53               ` Sven Luther
2005-04-04 19:41         ` Sven Luther

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