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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Frank Sorenson <frank@tuxrocks.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	ML ACPI-devel <acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Bodo Bauer <bb@suse.de>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Updated: Dynamic Tick version 050408-1 - C-state measures
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:08:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050420120846.GA21897@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050420120102.GB28491@isilmar.linta.de>

Hi!

> > > > Because I don't consider whether there was bm_activity the last ms, I only
> > > > consider the average, it seems to happen that I try to trigger
> > > > C3/C4 when there is just something copied and some bm active ?!?
> > > 
> > > I don't think that this is perfect behaviour: if the system is idle, and
> > > there is _currently_ bus master activity, the CPU should be put into C1 or
> > > C2 type sleep. If you select C3 and actually enter it, you're risking
> > > DMA issues, AFAICS.
> > 
> > What kinds of DMA issues? Waiting 32msec or so is only heuristic; it
> > can go wrong any time. It would be really bad if it corrupted data or
> > something like that.
> 
> loop()
>    a) bus mastering activity is going on at the very moment
>    b) the CPU is entering C3
>    c) the CPU is woken out of C3 because of bus mastering activity
> 
> the repeated delay between b) and c) might be problematic, as can be seen
> by the comment in processor_idle.c:
> 
>                  * TBD: A better policy might be to fallback to the demotion
>                  *      state (use it for this quantum only) istead of
>                  *      demoting -- and rely on duration as our sole demotion
>                  *      qualification.  This may, however, introduce DMA
>                  *      issues (e.g. floppy DMA transfer overrun/underrun).
>                  */
> 
> I'm not so worried about floppy DMA but about the ipw2x00 issues here.

Like "ipw2x00 looses packets" if this happens too often?

								Pavel
-- 
Boycott Kodak -- for their patent abuse against Java.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-20 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-06  8:30 [PATCH] Dynamic Tick version 050406-1 Tony Lindgren
2005-04-06 21:16 ` Frank Sorenson
2005-04-07  8:21   ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-07  9:26     ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-04-08  6:22       ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-07 21:35     ` Frank Sorenson
2005-04-07 22:20       ` Frank Sorenson
2005-04-08  6:25         ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-08  7:50           ` [PATCH] Updated: Dynamic Tick version 050408-1 Tony Lindgren
2005-04-08  8:49             ` Frank Sorenson
2005-04-08  9:17               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-08 21:42                 ` Frank Sorenson
2005-04-09  8:09                   ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-08 11:33               ` Thomas Renninger
2005-04-08 11:55                 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-08 12:58                   ` Thomas Renninger
2005-04-09  8:22                     ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-19 14:56                   ` [PATCH] Updated: Dynamic Tick version 050408-1 - C-state measures Thomas Renninger
2005-04-19 15:27                     ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-04-19 21:03                       ` Thomas Renninger
2005-04-20 11:44                         ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-04-20 11:57                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-20 12:01                             ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-04-20 12:08                               ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2005-04-20 12:13                                 ` Dominik Brodowski
2005-04-20 12:24                           ` Thomas Renninger
2005-04-19 21:09                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-20 20:01                       ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-21  7:54                         ` Thomas Renninger
2005-04-08 10:28             ` [PATCH] Updated: Dynamic Tick version 050408-1 Pavel Machek
2005-04-08 10:54               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-04-08 12:24                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-09  9:56                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-14 19:41                   ` Tony Lindgren

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